Korg multi/poly native - reimagined Mono/Poly Synthesizer plugin

[Gam456]

0/10 for you. A synth is not a preset rompler. You can programm. Do you know that? Right ?

Wanting good presets out of a synth is a totally normal thing. Not everyone wants to sit around and program stuff from scratch.

What is bad for you, can be good for someone else.
You can't say that a synth is bad because of its presets.

[Hanz Meyzer]

I would agree that quite a lot of the factory presets are way too crowded, and have too many layers. Also sometimes the master eq setting will not make the preset sound better.

The fun starts when you start with the init preset. Or reduce a factory preset to the essential. The waveshaper osc is awesome, too. Really, best is to start from scratch and learn this synth by your own, discovering the hidden sweetspots and finding your personal taste.

The usage is very streamlined and not that complicated, so designing is fun. Of course its the most fun with the hardware. Buy buy buy!

As a side note, couldn't the VST be free for the hardware owners? I mean, the hardware is quite expensive.

[tumface]

What is bad for you, can be good for someone else.
You can't say that a synth is bad because of its presets.

I wasn't agreeing with that poster. I was rebutting you, specifically your implication that presets don't matter because the synthesizer is programmable.

I think the presets in multi/poly native are actually pretty good. I don't mind having lots of bread & butter presets. It has plenty of weird stuff, too.

[Gam456]

What is bad for you, can be good for someone else.
You can't say that a synth is bad because of its presets.

I wasn't agreeing with that poster. I was rebutting you, specifically your implication that presets don't matter because the synthesizer is programmable.

Indeed
mynet was saying 99% are 99% simple/boring/fast made/budget feel
synth 2/10

The usage is very streamlined and not that complicated, so designing is fun. Of course its the most fun with the hardware. Buy buy buy!

Well the UI is horrible.
I'm not sure to understand how seq work. I probably miss something with short decay and 64 step lane. It doesn't trigger notes like a seq does.

[tumface]

Indeed
mynet was saying 99% are 99% simple/boring/fast made/budget feel
synth 2/10

I know that's what mynet said. I just said in my previous post that I wasn't agreeing with mynet. I was rebutting your reply brushing aside mynet's opinion of the presets as irrelevant because the synth is programmable.

[mynet]

Show me a preset that is worth saving?

0/10 for you. A synth is not a preset rompler. You can programm. Do you know that? Right ?

I understand you, it's ok.
I know how to program, that's the problem/thing. I would NEVER release this product with these presets. (ski (patch creator), is at least trying).
How can you release a product with this crappy presets, that was my point. They should showcase it's strengths and in what category it shines no?

So if you mind, can you point out some presets I might have overlooked that you think sounds really good? Or even better, post one you programmed. I'm serious. I want to like this synth but with this high CPU to sound ratio I'll pass 10 times over.

[tumface]

Well the UI is horrible.
I'm not sure to understand how seq work. I probably miss something with short decay and 64 step lane. It doesn't trigger notes like a seq does.

Assign a sequencer source like Seq A or Pulse to be a trigger source for an envelope.

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You can also do this by dragging and dropping

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[EvilDragon]

Note that the high CPU is simply because of the fact of how it's used on the hardware. Over there it has one Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 and it's using it fully - it doesn't need to care about anything other than just running that DSP code all the time. But of course, it is also dynamic voice allocation, so CPU usage is dynamic as well.

To me, this is an excellent sounding synth. If you can't hear it, go get your ears checked. The way the filters saturate, the way the resonance behaves, the way filter FM and waveshaping doesn't break when playing high notes (like it does in many other synths), the way VCAs (optionally) introduce subtle non-linearities... this is next gen tech.

[Gam456]

Show me a preset that is worth saving?

0/10 for you. A synth is not a preset rompler. You can programm. Do you know that? Right ?

I understand you, it's ok.
I know how to program, that's the problem/thing. I would NEVER release this product with these presets. (ski (patch creator), is at least trying).
How can you release a product with this crappy presets, that was my point. They should showcase it's strengths and in what category it shines no?


So if you mind, can you point out some presets I might have overlooked that you think sounds really good? Or even better, post one you programmed. I'm serious. I want to like this synth but with this high CPU to sound ratio I'll pass 10 times over.

I do not care about preset. I programm my self

Well the UI is horrible.
I'm not sure to understand how seq work. I probably miss something with short decay and 64 step lane. It doesn't trigger notes like a seq does.

Assign a sequencer source like Seq A or Pulse to be a trigger source for an envelope.

FL64_BS7SAyD42V.png

You can also do this by dragging and dropping

fsbLQtx5No.gif

Thank You. I will read the manual

[spritex]

It is better to get a feel of the sound when having an init preset and only going through the presets for one layer, not the whole 4-layer performances. It does sound smooth and also sometimes "beefy", in my opinion. Strongly considering a purchase even if I do have too many synth plugins already.

The LFO's don't get as fast as I'd like but all the "components" seem to behave consistently, snappy, sound quality is good in all ranges.

[mynet]

Note that the high CPU is simply because of the fact of how it's used on the hardware. Over there it has one Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 and it's using it fully - it doesn't need to care about anything other than just running that DSP code all the time. But of course, it is also dynamic voice allocation, so CPU usage is dynamic as well.

To me, this is an excellent sounding synth. If you can't hear it, go get your ears checked. The way the filters saturate, the way the resonance behaves, the way filter FM and waveshaping doesn't break when playing high notes (like it does in many other synths), the way VCAs (optionally) introduce subtle non-linearities... this is next gen tech.

True about the CPU. Started to program and I already hear what you are talking about!
This make my earlier post about the presets even more true, what da hell were they doing???
The presets really fooled me!

[Gam456]

Note that the high CPU is simply because of the fact of how it's used on the hardware. Over there it has one Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 and it's using it fully - it doesn't need to care about anything other than just running that DSP code all the time. But of course, it is also dynamic voice allocation, so CPU usage is dynamic as well.

Roland improved their ACB model on OSX/Intel with more polyphony
We can run a grazy amount of Montage M VSTI on PC
Are you saying. Korg are lazy ?

[zerocrossing]

I would agree that quite a lot of the factory presets are way too crowded, and have too many layers. Also sometimes the master eq setting will not make the preset sound better.

I call those presets "synth sellers." They're designed so that anyone can walk off the street and play a few keys and get some huge sound that shows off the synth, even to people who can't play. Korg's got a rich history of this. I'm sure most of us know at least a few of the first Wavestation's presets, like "Ski Jam." They're like the plastic screen protectors that a synth comes with. Get rid of them and never think of them again, but in this case it does mean that you have to either program yourself or buy an additional preset library. I find that most "synth sellers" can be pretty easily altered to become decent bread and butter sounds, without too much trouble. It's also a good way to learn how to get around a synthesizer.

As a side note, couldn't the VST be free for the hardware owners? I mean, the hardware is quite expensive.

It costs money to develop and maintain a plugin, so it makes sense that they charge a fee. Your multi/poly hardware is set in stone, hardware wise, but a PC can change, have other software running on it, and have operating system and DAW updates to contend with.

[tumface]

Roland improved their ACB model on OSX/Intel with more polyphony
We can run a grazy amount of Montage M VSTI on PC
Are you saying. Korg are lazy ?

The quality of the modeling in this synth is on the different level than the Roland and Yamaha stuff. I'm not sure what you're implying by using Roland as an example of good CPU usage. Their plugins have giant CPU spikes and don't perform well at all. I haven't used Montage M VSTi, so I can't comment on how it performs. I do know that it's fine as an arranger keyboard, but I would not use it as a front-and-center sound source for analog synths in a song where I want to lean into that kind of sound.

[Hanz Meyzer]

It costs money to develop and maintain a plugin, so it makes sense that they charge a fee.

Sure you are right. I actually had a Wavestation and remember that one

Though I have the impression that there wasn't too much time to create factory presets for this machine.

Are you saying. Korg are lazy ?

At least let's hope that Korg will try to optimize this synth a bit.