Transpose Hannon piano exercise from C major to harmonic minor

[Touch The Universe]

I have access to the hannon piano MIDI, and I'm wondering if there is a more simple way to kind of just transpose these to any kind of harmonic key Miner that I want. I want to practice some scales but the hand and scales are just so boring and plain and C major all the time every single excercise. If someone would happen to know other kind of piano practice exercises that are more interesting like a bach fuge. scarlatti flavor, or just playing patterns up and down the keyboard that are a little bit more interesting than just scales of them keyboard the same way Hannon did, I would appreciate it

[Stirner]

You probably mean the first 20 "Five Finger Exercices"? They will sound boring even if you transpose them to other scales.
Later in the book, after exercise 30 or so, there are complete scales, with position changes and of course there are harmonic minor scales.

Very efficient exercises - for fingers, not for music - are from Dohnanyi and maybe Beringer, but they sound even worse than Hanon Maybe just playing scales and arpeggios will be enough to stay in shape. Or just practice Bach preludes, like Heinrich Neuhaus recommended.

[Farnaby]

The Dohnanyi ones make you feel like you are training for an Olympic event! But most of us don't really need that.

I support the above - scales and arpeggios in all keys plus a good dose of Master Bach, with a little Mozart along the way to develop more subtlety of touch. The Bach pieces were written at least in part with tuition in mind and cover a wide range of techniques with the added bonus of being highly musical.

[jancivil]

what bullshit. you couldn't even bother to spellcheck.

when I was at SFCM, I had secondary piano, and the poor "teacher" (grad student) hadn't the time (or energy?) to prepare anything so the whole of it was here, do the Hanon, like a non-pianist has time for that shit). Teach the Bartok [Mikrokosmos] FFS, secondary piano for a composer should regard music.
It's not music and cannot be confused with music.

[Touch The Universe]

Thanks to all the happy people who responded.

That makes sense. I have the first 20 or 30 in MIDI format. I can open then in my daw. How would you guys turn these C major practice patterns in any harmonic minor scale. Studio One has snap to scale so I guess I'd just have to manually do the first pattern then copy and paste them up and down the keyboard. That right?

[Touch The Universe]

Yeah, I guess I can just manually do it myself and the results are pretty good plus I can tweak things if I like. It's mostly just pick an interesting pattern of 8 notes and repeat throughout the octaves with a special twist on the way back down the octave. I just wish there was an a way to auto do this with ai or something because it should easier and straightforward.

[Touch The Universe]

I can get AI to spit out A, B, D, E, F# information though of them auto transcribed but don't know of a way to turn that text into midi. Anyone?

[BertKoor]

Only lazy people would use AI for such mundane tasks.
If you have the midi, just select (rectangular tool) the major third and drag it a semitone lower to the minor third. Repeat with the other notes you find don't fit the scale.

[Touch The Universe]

Only lazy people would use AI for such mundane tasks.
If you have the midi, just select (rectangular tool) the major third and drag it a semitone lower to the minor third. Repeat with the other notes you find don't fit the scale.

How long would it take to transpose one exercise? Aren't there 60 exercises. I'm thinking it could take maybe 10-15 minutes, times 60, it's not a matter of energy it's a matter of efficiency and using my energy to actually practice instead of preparing to practice.

[Stirner]

How long would it take to transpose one exercise? Aren't there 60 exercises. I'm thinking it could take maybe 10-15 minutes, times 60, it's not a matter of energy it's a matter of efficiency and using my energy to actually practice instead of preparing to practice.

If I get you right, you want to transpose Hanon to harmonic minor? You just transpose one single note G up a semitone to G# and you have an A harmonic minor scale in all the first 20 five-finger-exercises. Because they are all in C major -> it's the same note collection as A minor -> harmonic minor is the same as a natural minor but with a raised seven (called an leading tone) - move all G's a semitone higher to to G# -> done.

[Touch The Universe]

Yes, but what happens when you raise that same pattern, key by key, up the keyboard? You would need to each time adjust the same pattern. It's not a matter of copy and pasting the same pattern up and down, the pattern needs to be embedded and snapped to the key while it is being transposed.

ACDEFEDC, BDEFG#FED, CEFG#AFG#FE, DFG#ABAG#F, etc

It's not tweak on letter one time and be done, it's tweak that one letter 8 up and 8 down, so ateast 16 adjustments need to happen per excercise and that's just the easiest harmonic key to manipulate.

Just looking for a faster way

[BertKoor]

> boring and plain and C major all the time

That is exactly the point of finger excersizes. Get fluent on all-white keys first.
Learn to walk instead of trying to run if you can barely crawl.

You know what's fast? Print them out on paper in staff notation. Draw in sharps & flats in the margin. Done. Still boring and more difficult for your fingers than intended.

Does the midi files contain instructional texts as well? Being a work from 1873, it's public domain.
Grab your copy here: https://imslp.org/wiki/The_Virtuoso_Pia ... les-Louis)

[Touch The Universe]

Haha, that's still too much work. I like you are thinking outside the box, but do so in a way that simplifies things to no effort.

I'm in search for a way to turn ABCDEF text into a midi file or some author automated way.

I'd have that this was an easy task, but guess not.

I might as well just create my own exercises

[BertKoor]

You're fully aware that you're only procastrinating with this.
Get on to your finger excersizes!

[Touch The Universe]

The goal isn't really exercises for my fingers I just want to play some interesting arp patterns up and down the keyboard that I can use to train my voice. It's literally just an eight pattern Melody that's running up and down an octave that's repeated. Like it's easier to just make my own pattern than it is to alter those other ones. I just need to create a pattern with eight notes, but if I wanted to alter hannon's exercises that would need to alter at least 16, does that make sense?