Is talent born or created with hard work and practice

[VOODOO U]

so are the people in thread that I have muted

I find it curious why people feel the need to broadcast that they muted someone. As if anyone including the person muted could give a rat's ass.
Dumb musicians. Always seeking a way to feel important.

[Dirtgrain]

Better was when a user would give out preemptive threats of blocking others, seeming like the principal in The Breakfast Club in the process.

[BONES]

You say dumb things just to drift away from a point that exposes your stupidity.

No, quite the opposite. I was pointing out that what you were saying was stupid. You don't have to be a Post Punk guitarist to learn from one. We've released covers of Ultravox, Human League, Simple Minds and Devo songs but that doesn't make us a New Wave band, does it? But there's easily enough similarity for us to have learned a lot from those bands. To suggest that it's something akin to a miracle that Pantera might like a Smiths song is absurd on the face of it.

Bottom line, saying someone can't write in a particular genre because they like and have a connection to a different genre is dumb

No, what's really f**king dumb is to think that people are only able to connect with a single genre. To enjoy both Pantera and the Smiths does not require a leap across some vast cavernous ravine, it's just a small step for anyone. To go from what we do to what Drake or Taylor Swift does, though, is a completely different matter.

What I have found over the years is that people who say they like all kinds of music usually have no deep connection to any of it. Some will eventually find a style that really does do it for them, at which point they realise that a lot of the other stuff they thought they liked is actually rubbish. And I firmly believe that if you don't have that deep connection, you aren't going to be able to write songs that connect deeply enough with that audience to make it a hit.

especially considering you have a connection to only one genre. You lack any experience connecting to diverse genres.

What the f**k do you know? I hardly ever listen to the type of music NOVAkILL makes, that genre died in the arse 20 years ago. But we can do other things, here's a fully Post Punk song from our 2020 album -



I think it goes rather well with this one from my solo days, 25 years prior -



Considering that it was recorded live to a cassette tape in my bedroom, I think it holds up quite well. It's probably not your thing, so I wouldn't expect it to necessarily connect with you but, take my word for it, it ain't Killing Joke or Modern English but it is half-decent Post Punk.

Exactly. You have no firm evidence and you lack experience.

Right, 40 years of live performance and recording experience pales into insignificance compared to what? You being in and out of bands for a few years? The evidence is all around, you just refuse to see it. I shouldn't have to point it out to you.

I want you to do something more along the lines like Taylor Swift.

And how, exactly would I do that? I have absolutely no idea why anyone can even tolerate listening to it, much less actually enjoy it. So where do you start? You can't assume that if you write something you hate, it means that anyone else will like it. It's far more likely that everyone will hate it, so you alienate the audience you have and you gain nothing from anywhere else.

i listen, observe and use something called common sense goes out the window...

There, I fixed that for you.

Are you going to point me to the bible to back up that Jesus died for my sins?

That's not evidence-based, there are no sources cited, there is no way to test the veracity of the Bible's claims. OTOH, Justin Bieber's Wikipedia page has 498 footnotes, with links to references, so if you feel something isn't accurate, you can check the source material for yourself. (There are several that cover the part we're talking about.)

You're the type that reads Who or People magazine and thinks every damn thing printed in there is truth. "Oooh look guys! Robert Pattison and Kristen Stewart are in love! It's true love!"
Meanwhile the new Twilight film is about to be released. Naaaah, it's not marketing.

You seem to know a lot about it, are you sure it isn't you who reads that drivel? Last I heard, Mickey 17 was Pattinson's latest film role. (Great film, BTW. Close enough to the book not to be annoying.)

I can't prove it; I just know.

Damn straight you can't, because your dead f**king wrong, mate.

As I explained (you big dummy), showing the public that there is hope in obtaining success in having a YouTube channel draws people in.

But that's not what happened or how. It took a lot of hard graft from PewDiePie to have any success at all. And to be clear, that was his goal from the start. He switched tactics several times, looking for something that would work to his advantage. YouTube was very well established by then, hours of video was already being uploaded every minute of every day, they didn't need to spend money to promote it.

You don't see that happening with Vimeo now do you? Of course not.

Yet it would make really good sense for them as the underdog, whereas YouTube has never needed to.

YouTube was initially funded, or financially assisted by the band U2. It's what the whole ZooTV tour was for...

That's a lovely story but it's bullshit. The ZooTV tour happened more than 10 years before YouTube existed. The three founders had made a lot of money from the sale of PayPal to eBay and got venture capital backing to get it off the ground. Less than two years later they sold out to Google. By the time PewDiePie came along, YouTube was already getting three billion views per day, they were already bigger than anyone would have predicted.

... and what the song Zoo Station was all about.

Released 13 years before YouTube existed. Don't you bother checking your facts so as not to make a fool of yourself? Because, right now, you look like a proper fool with this.

Well then you should've moved to Europe where you could've done bigger gigs and spread the word more.

Because we're not lame fucktards who go around chasing fame and fortune. It is what it is and if it finds an audience, that's great. If it doesn't, I'm not about to turn my life upside-down to make it happen. I've seen what life is like for people who are like that and I have less than no interest in it, thanks. I'll guarantee you that there is no-one in our genre doing this full-time who could afford a yacht or a brand new car. What matters to us is that we're happy with what we do.

It also comes back to timing. The heyday of EBM was the early 1990s, when we were just discovering that it even existed. By the time we released our first album in 2003, it was already in steep decline.

That's why Joe Dolce topped charts throughout the Civilised World but not in humourless, backwards countries like the USA or Bolivia.

The U.S. does have a sense of humor but being that we're mainly workaholics, we tend to find humor in things that are at the expense of others misfortunes . Like Pee Wee Herman getting caught masturbating at a XXX theatre, that was hilarious. Joe Dolce? Not funny. Novakill performing in front of 20 people? f**king hilarious.

This is one reason why I hated doing A&R -musicians being so sensitive when they're told their songs aren't strong enough. As if they are entitled to having labels love their stuff no questions asked. Get off the damn high horse already. It's BUSINESS.

Exactly, which is why I never had much interest in it. That said, we're quite happy to listen to our label and change things around for them, if we think it's not going to ruin our "artistic vision". An extra chorus here or there might give the song more appeal but it won't usually bother us. If it did, we'd push back on it but, in the end, we'd probably acquiesce. It's how collaborations work, you have to respect everyone's contribution and trust their judgement. Saying simply that "your songs aren't strong enough" is confrontational and doesn't help anyone, although I'd hope you were better at it than that.

I love Mr. Bungle's music and don't really care for Matchbox 20 but I'd rather sign the latter because I know I can SELL THE SONGS and buy me a couple Harleys.

Again, why it's never really interested me. It's not a business to us and we'd never want it to be. That would just make it work.

Zero. And how has that worked out for you? Are there now 21 people showing up at the backyard BBQ show instead of 20?

Counter-intuitively, when our albums weren't doing nearly as well as they have lately, we regularly got to play to 800-1000 people in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and even in Leipzig. But there was a scene back then, now it's gone. We hope to get a government arts grant to get back over to Europe next year - one final fling before I turn 70. Mind you, John Foxx is still going strong at 76 so I have no real intention of stopping any time soon. I can't imagine a better way to go than dropping dead on stage, mic in hand, can you? But I won't be renewing my passport when it comes due in 2027, now that the government has put the price of a new one up to more than $400. They can go f**k themselves.

[vurt]

u2 created youtube?
that's almost as funny as the time he claimed the beatles used protools

[jupiter8]

U2 also invented the tampon. That's what the song Sunday Bloody Sunday is about......

[BertKoor]

At least one person was still parsing & processing. Me and many others had left already.

[VOODOO U]

u2 created youtube?

Nobofy said anything about U2 creating youtube.

[BertKoor]

YouTube was initially funded, or financially assisted by the band U2. It's what the whole ZooTV tour was for and what the song Zoo Station was all about.

That's dumb.
ZooTV was ca 1992? Youtube dates of 2005.
U2 ain't Radiohead, not caring about the money.

[VOODOO U]

That's dumb.

Ok

ZooTV was ca 1992?

Yes

Youtube dates of 2005

I guess so.
Is there supposed to be a point here somewhere?

[BONES]

Yes, the point is that you were off by 13 years, that what you claimed is clearly nothing but fabrication. It shows that nothing you say can be taken seriously because you are either willing to tell the first lie that pops into your head or you are just a clueless idiot with nothing of value to contribute. Getting your facts right matters.

[VOODOO U]

Yes, the point is that you were off by 13 years

Nobody asked you and I'd be surprised if anyone needs you to back them up.
And for the record there are investments that take time. So what.

nothing you say can be taken seriously

you are just a clueless idiot with nothing of value to contribute.

Couldn't of said it better. This sums you up nicely.

Getting your facts right matters.

You mean like The Smiths and Pantera both being rock bands? Or getting "facts" from Wikipedia and YouTube? Like Justin Bieber never needing to suck anything to break big? Do tell how you know so much about Justin.

[harryupbabble]

U2 also invented the tampon. That's what the song Sunday Bloody Sunday is about......

if kurt cobain was still alive he probably wouldn`t find that funny
he said he used to love listening to led zeppelin songs
but then he lost respect for them when he realised that most of their songs are sexist
"squeeze my lemon til the juice run down my leg"

[BONES]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

You're done, son, time to give it away. It's just embarrassing now, you're making everyone a little uncomfortable watching you flounder.

[zerocrossing]

I don't think it's either, but a bit of both. I feel like I wasn't totally born with talent, but I was born with desire. There's a story that Robert Fripp tells about himself, and that's that he sucked when he was starting out, but had such a desire to make the music that he wanted to make, that he just kept going until he got there.

Of course, there are also physical characteristics that come into play when playing an instrument. Someone with longer fingers is going to have an easier time playing large intervals than someone with stubby fingers. That's just reality. The stubby finger person could work to make it happen, but the longer finger person will always have an easier time. My version of "long fingers" is an amazing melody memory. I've always sort of had it and I never really had to work on it, but if I hear a song with a good melody, it can stick with me for a long time, even if I only heard it once. I'll write a tune in my head while in the shower, and a while later when I can get into the studio, I can remember it and play it. Sometimes even a full day can go by and I'll remember it. I have songs that I wrote in high school and never really recorded or played and when I see the lyrics, I remember the melody. On the down side, I have a very limited vocal range, which blows. I've tried really hard to extend it, but I never really make much progress. With some music, that's not that big an issue, but with the songs that I want to write, it is.

[donkey tugger]

someone with stubby fingers.