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coroknight wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 7:49 pm
kraster wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:45 pm You don't have to manually tune keytracking
kraster wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:45 pm You have to manually tune the filter's base frequency
LOL
What's so funny?

You don't have to adjust keytracking so the intervals are diatonic.

You just have to tune the filter's base FREQUENCY so it matches the PITCH of the oscillator.

There is nothing at all weird about this. This is how most synths work.

As I said it goes back to synths like the 2600, mini moog etc.

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coroknight wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 7:49 pm
kraster wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:45 pm You don't have to manually tune keytracking
kraster wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:45 pm You have to manually tune the filter's base frequency
LOL
I thought you weren't going to keep replying? That lasted no time.

If somehow the keytracking feature locked the cutoff frequency to match the key pressed, that would be incredibly restrictive. If they made another keytracking mode that disabled the cutoff and worked like this, that would be fine, but it absolutely should not be default behavior, and if only one keytracking mode is implemented, it 100% should behave like it does now. Have you ever actually used an analog synth?

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briefcasemanx wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 10:06 pm
coroknight wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 7:49 pm
kraster wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:45 pm You don't have to manually tune keytracking
kraster wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:45 pm You have to manually tune the filter's base frequency
LOL
I thought you weren't going to keep replying? That lasted no time.

If somehow the keytracking feature locked the cutoff frequency to match the key pressed, that would be incredibly restrictive. If they made another keytracking mode that disabled the cutoff and worked like this, that would be fine, but it absolutely should not be default behavior, and if only one keytracking mode is implemented, it 100% should behave like it does now. Have you ever actually used an analog synth?
I’ve stopped seriously replying and have started laughing at people for being stupid and ridiculous.

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kraster wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 10:03 pm There is nothing at all weird about this. This is how most synths work.
Lol

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KEYTRACKING SHOULDN’T TRACK KEYS ACCURATELY, CLEARLY THAT’S HOW MOST SYNTHS WORK.

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coroknight wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 10:25 pm KEYTRACKING SHOULDN’T TRACK KEYS ACCURATELY, CLEARLY THAT’S HOW MOST SYNTHS WORK.
Are you high?

The keytracking DOES track the intervals of the keyboard just fine!

Having to tune the filter frequency so it matches the pitch of the oscillators is not unusual.

What the hell is wrong with you?

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kraster wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:23 pm Having to tune the filter frequency so it matches the pitch of the oscillators is not unusual.
Lol

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*Opens Vital*

*Turns key tracking to 100%*

*See’s the spectrogram peaking at the exact note I’m playing*

“Well clearly that’s incorrect. Kraster said I should have to tune it manually.”

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coroknight wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:40 pm *Opens Vital*

*Turns key tracking to 100%*

*See’s the spectrogram peaking at the exact note I’m playing*

“Well clearly that’s incorrect. Kraster said I should have to tune it manually.”
If it's so important to you, that the actual played note matches the cutoff frequency of your filter(s), you just need to adjust and replace your init preset. No big thing.

Ah, and yes: Lol!

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Rastkovic wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 12:58 am If it's so important to you, that the actual played note matches the cutoff frequency of your filter(s), you just need to adjust and replace your init preset. No big thing.

Ah, and yes: Lol!
Meanwhile I gave up on this conversation a long time ago, and am literally just trolling fanboys at this point.

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coroknight wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:40 pm *Opens Vital*

*Turns key tracking to 100%*

*See’s the spectrogram peaking at the exact note I’m playing*

“Well clearly that’s incorrect. Kraster said I should have to tune it manually.”
Keytracking is using the keyboard as an offset. That's it. That's what it literally means.

That's what it means on a minimoog, an arp 2600, vital and serum 2.

You seem to think it means playing the same note as the key that is pressed. It doesn't. keytracking is relative modulation source not an absolute one.

If you want to have 100% keytracked filters in Serum 2 you click the little piano button beside the filter. How you tune the filter is up to you. Saying it's somehow lacking because it doesn't tune the filter for you is just weird.

You can have it 100% in tune, or detuned or a 5th apart. Whatever you like.

Here's one of the best examples of a keytracked filter where the keyboard is modulating the filter on an Arp 2600. You will be horrified to learn that the Arp 2600 didn't tune the filter to the key of the song. You had to do it yourself. (The horror)


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coroknight wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 1:35 am
Rastkovic wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 12:58 am If it's so important to you, that the actual played note matches the cutoff frequency of your filter(s), you just need to adjust and replace your init preset. No big thing.

Ah, and yes: Lol!
Meanwhile I gave up on this conversation a long time ago, and am literally just trolling fanboys at this point.
Fanboys aka people that have used more than one synth, actually understand how synths work and how to program them, and don't post bad comments that display their non-understanding and inexperience.

You're just threadshitting like a child because you can't accept your own ignorance.
Last edited by briefcasemanx on Thu Mar 27, 2025 3:33 am, edited 1 time in total.

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kraster wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 3:12 am
coroknight wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:40 pm *Opens Vital*

*Turns key tracking to 100%*

*See’s the spectrogram peaking at the exact note I’m playing*

“Well clearly that’s incorrect. Kraster said I should have to tune it manually.”
Keytracking is using the keyboard as an offset. That's it. That's what it literally means.

That's what it means on a minimoog, an arp 2600, vital and serum 2.

You seem to think it means playing the same note as the key that is pressed. It doesn't. keytracking is relative modulation source not an absolute one.

If you want to have 100% keytracked filters in Serum 2 you click the little piano button beside the filter. How you tune the filter is up to you. Saying it's somehow lacking because it doesn't tune the filter for you is just weird.

You can have it 100% in tune, or detuned or a 5th apart. Whatever you like.

Here's one of the best examples of a keytracked filter where the keyboard is modulating the filter on an Arp 2600. You will be horrified to learn that the Arp 2600 didn't tune the filter to the key of the song. You had to do it yourself. (The horror)

Indeed. Well done.
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After reading this thread I decided to test a bunch of different synth plugins to see where the default(double click all knobs to reset) filter cutoff was set when key tracked. Literally the only one that sets the cutoff at the fundamental was Vital. Most of them set the cutoff all the way open like Pigments or centered the knob which puts it at the wrong note all together usually , ArcSyn was one that centered the knob and tuned the cutoff two octaves higher than the played key but on the correct note. Serum ,Current ,Vital and Phase Plant all seem to set the cutoff to the correct note but at different octaves. Most of the other ones I tested require manual tuning though . Interesting stuff

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kraster wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 3:12 am
coroknight wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:40 pm *Opens Vital*

*Turns key tracking to 100%*

*See’s the spectrogram peaking at the exact note I’m playing*

“Well clearly that’s incorrect. Kraster said I should have to tune it manually.”
Keytracking is using the keyboard as an offset. That's it. That's what it literally means.

That's what it means on a minimoog, an arp 2600, vital and serum 2.

You seem to think it means playing the same note as the key that is pressed. It doesn't. keytracking is relative modulation source not an absolute one.

If you want to have 100% keytracked filters in Serum 2 you click the little piano button beside the filter. How you tune the filter is up to you. Saying it's somehow lacking because it doesn't tune the filter for you is just weird.

You can have it 100% in tune, or detuned or a 5th apart. Whatever you like.

Here's one of the best examples of a keytracked filter where the keyboard is modulating the filter on an Arp 2600. You will be horrified to learn that the Arp 2600 didn't tune the filter to the key of the song. You had to do it yourself. (The horror)

Lol this is getting too f**king rich.

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