Official Serum 2 thread!

[coroknight]

If it's so important to you, that the actual played note matches the cutoff frequency of your filter(s), you just need to adjust and replace your init preset. No big thing.

Ah, and yes: Lol!

Meanwhile I gave up on this conversation a long time ago, and am literally just trolling fanboys at this point.

Fanboys aka people that have used more than one synth, actually understand how synths work and how to program them, and don't post bad comments that display their non-understanding and inexperience.

You're just threadshitting like a child because you can't accept your own ignorance.

I gave multiple examples of very popular synths that have this quality of life feature. Meanwhile ya'll are acting like Steve Duda is playing 4d chess and I'm not sophisticated enough to understand the minimoog. Absolutely hilarious.

[briefcasemanx]

After reading this thread I decided to test a bunch of different synth plugins to see where the default(double click all knobs to reset) filter cutoff was set when key tracked. Literally the only one that sets the cutoff at the fundamental was Vital. Most of them set the cutoff all the way open like Pigments or centered the knob which puts it at the wrong note all together usually , ArcSyn was one that centered the knob and tuned the cutoff two octaves higher than the played key but on the correct note. Serum ,Current ,Vital and Phase Plant all seem to set the cutoff to the correct note but at different octaves. Most of the other ones I tested require manual tuning though . Interesting stuff

Okay, yeah I just opened it up and it does seem like Serum's default is tuned a few octaves above the fundamental. Which is completely fine, because why would it necessarily need to be tuned to the fundamental, exactly???

Yeah, this is completely fine. I also for fun made a preset the tunes it to the fundamental and it took me about 30 seconds. If I wanted to save this as the new default add about 2 seconds onto that time. There's no need for anyone to have a freakout over something that is so incredibly easy.

[coroknight]

Okay, yeah I just opened it up and it does seem like Serum's default is tuned a few octaves above the fundamental.

So this whole time you had no idea what you were talking about. f**king hell.

Which is completely fine, because why would it necessarily need to be tuned to the fundamental, exactly???

Because it's KEYTRACKING and that's NOT THE NOTE YOU ARE PLAYING. Jesus christ.

Yeah, this is completely fine. I also for fun made a preset the tunes it to the fundamental and it took me about 30 seconds. If I wanted to save this as the new default add about 2 seconds onto that time. There's no need for anyone to have a freakout over something that is so incredibly easy.

That's about how long it'd take to fix the f**king issue in the goddamn software that's supposed to KEYTRACK. And I'm a software dev. We're literally talking about adjusting number ranges so they line up, which is a quality of life feature other similar software has had FOR YEARS.

And that's not the only method of keytracking. Reset the cutoff and throw a note modulator on it at 100%. It'll hit a note two semitones above the one you are pressing. Clearly this was supposed to work since it's so close, BUT IT DOESN'T.

I'm not pissed at the issue actually. It's you f**ks that INSIST it's correct when it's not. Again, NONE of the keytracking methods actually hit the note you play in the year 2025. Just admit it's incorrect and stop f**king justifying a simple issue with your elitist bullshit about minimoogs or whatever.

Call me crazy but when you have a feature called KEYTRACKING, it should probably hit the note you are actually playing. Simple, done, end of story, have a nice day.

[briefcasemanx]

That's about how long it'd take to fix the f**king issue in the goddamn software that's supposed to KEYTRACK. And I'm a software dev. We're literally talking about adjusting number ranges so they line up, which is a quality of life feature other similar software has had FOR YEARS.

And that's not the only method of keytracking. Reset the cutoff and throw a note modulator on it at 100%. It'll hit a note two semitones above the one you are pressing. Clearly this was supposed to work since it's so close, BUT IT DOESN'T.

I'm not pissed at the issue actually. It's you f**ks that INSIST it's correct when it's not. Again, NONE of the keytracking methods actually hit the note you play in the year 2025. Just admit it's incorrect and stop f**king justifying a simple issue with your elitist bullshit about minimoogs or whatever.

Call me crazy but when you have a feature called KEYTRACKING, it should probably hit the note you are actually playing. Simple, done, end of story, have a nice day.

Keytracking does not mean that the filter tracks the fundamental frequency of filter cutoff. It has never meant that. That's cool if the default preset of your favorite synth does that. It doesn't change what the word means. The meaning of the word doesn't magically change due to it being 2025.

In fact, in Vital, when you put keytracking to 100% and then change the cutoff, the name of the "keytracking" button doesn't magically change names. It is still at "100%" on the "keytracking" knob and yet not following the exact fundamental frequency. Because it is still doing keytracking, just not at the fundamental frequency.

You are trying to redefine a word and then getting angry at others for using the word correctly. If you go by your own terrible logic, then Vital itself is apparently using the word incorrectly as soon as you stray from the default preset's cutoff . If you are a software developer you are not a very good one judging by the level of logic displayed.

[michelangelo]

Why don't you do a transfer of serum if people have been selling it for 10 years with a change of data? You can come up with a commission and officially transfer the license through you. I hate you )) I bought Massive X for 6$. Go away serum for $190 ((

[swilow11]

Steve Duda post talking about the reported cpu issues some are having: https://www.reddit.com/r/serum/comments ... _content=2

You should see performance on par with Serum 1 presets, if not better, when it comes to the Serum 1 sorts of tasks. However, that isn't always the case, and we do have some more optimizations coming, we have found some Intel specific optimizations (not relevant here) and some other little things.

Certain features do require a lot of number-crunching, Spectral does a lot of realtime compute and unison + polyphony is just asking a lot of a processor. Similarly with Granular, you can get a lot of voices going, because it can sound incredible, but requires a powerful machine. Keep in mind the CPU meter in Live is showing you peak of a single core, you could probably add many more Serum instances and see the same performance, it's really about trying to mindful "hotspots" which can come from POLY count first and foremost.

Serum 2 will only get more performant, and processors will only get faster. I feel mixed about making a product which looks very pretty but isn't really intended for a mass audience. I might need to up the minimum requirements, which I also didn't want to do artificially, e.g. disclude Intel macs, though it was considered.

[teilo]

Filter keytracking is about tracking filter cutoff. It has nothing to do with tuning the pitch of the resonance of self-resonating filters. Resonance pitch is a side effect of certain filters, and keytracking is simply not designed to adjust that pitch. If Vital does it, it's unique in that way. But there is nothing wrong with the way Serum does it. Every hardware synth I own does it the same way.

If you want a sound like a pitch-tracked resonator, use a wavetable or warp mode. Or better yet, use the Note# modulator on the filter cutoff, and set the amount and the mapping curve to get exactly what you want. It's not that difficult.

[swilow11]

I think that synths with a resonant comb filter really need to implement pitch locked keytracking if you want to do physical modelling stuff. It is by no means a rare function in my experience with software synths at least. Synths like Hive2 do it but iirc one needs to set the cutoff at somewhere like '60' whatever that number actually represents.

[nanostream]

I was also playing around with noise and comb filters and had to fiddle around to get correct pitch tracking. Not the end of the world, but I’ve found it a bit irritating. Software should automate stuff like that, imo.

[Touch The Universe]

I'm not going to fall for this one this time, multi-sample import or not, lol. And I was very tempted to make another bank for this but I'll hold. But in the meantime I am running a half off sale on all my previous serum Banks.

[swilow11]

Hoping Xfer sort out the volume issues with the spectral oscillator. Which is freaking awesome but a lot of warp modes end up really clipping the shit out of things. Maybe if there was the ability to turn on a Clipper like Current has, or a limiter somewhere in the chain. It's easily managed by throwing a limiter on the master bus but I'd prefer this to be done internally.

Anyway, spectral engine is great- must admit haven't made anything especially musical yet- threw a sample of a cat meowing into it and made some sort of eerie atmospheric drone thing- but I'll need to explore it more to make actual music with it. It seems very easy to make...frankly, rubbish. A bit hard to tame. But pretty unique- I think Avenger had a spectral engine, but beyond that, not many synths are doing this. I guess Thorn and Europa from Reason, maybe Parsec too...

[martiu]

[HOTF]

cold and digital

[martiu]

cold and digital

cold as ice pads is something i crave from time to time, cold sounding synths need love too

[HOTF]

cold and digital

cold as ice pads is something i crave from time to time, cold sounding synths need love too

I'm just making fun of the stereotypical complaint. I think Serum has a nice sound. You can make it sound "analog" if you program it accordingly. It has all the tool you need to make it sound exactly how you want. I also like ice cold pads