UVI SonicBundle

[otristan]

Regarding download speed, uvi.net website and actual product download are not from the same server.

the uvi.net website is hosted in France while the actual download use the bunny.net infrastructure of bunny.net with several server location and cache handling. so you may experience different speed.

[plexuss]

The license issue was addressed here viewtopic.php?p=9060061#p9060061 When you upgrade to a newer product or a bundle the previous licenses are not transferrable. It appears if you upgrade to SonicBundle, you lose all the individual licenses. I suspect we'll see SonicBundles go 2nd hand for a decent price in the future. This can be quite a restriction for some some people.

[Caine123]

The license issue was addressed here viewtopic.php?p=9060061#p9060061 When you upgrade to a newer product or a bundle the previous licenses are not transferrable. It appears if you upgrade to SonicBundle, you lose all the individual licenses. I suspect we'll see SonicBundles go 2nd hand for a decent price in the future. This can be quite a restriction for some some people.

but then UVI should make it more clear. e.g. why should i buy my upgrade price of 399 euros when i own over 40 products already? then i would better buy a NON upgrade sonic bundle and sell my 40 individual licenses.

[waxtrax]

but then UVI should make it more clear. e.g. why should i buy my upgrade price of 399 euros when i own over 40 products already? then i would better buy a NON upgrade sonic bundle and sell my 40 individual licenses.

100% agree on this. I just put in a support ticket with UVI to see if we can get this clarified.

[rasmusklump]

It was obvious to me that I couldn't sell stuff that was the base of my discount.

[waxtrax]

It can be more complex than that, though. For example, I have two separate licenses for Falcon in my account before getting the Sonic Bundle. Am I unable to sell either of those? That doesn't make very much sense. And what Caine123 said is right on -- if all of this is true, it would have been better for me to buy the non-discounted bundle and sell my individual licenses instead.

I love UVI's products, but I think all of these considerations should be more clear and easily-accessible before purchase, especially considering cases like mine where I have multiple licenses for the same product.

[agharta]

but then UVI should make it more clear. e.g. why should i buy my upgrade price of 399 euros when i own over 40 products already? then i would better buy a NON upgrade sonic bundle and sell my 40 individual licenses.

100% agree on this. I just put in a support ticket with UVI to see if we can get this clarified.

I already asked them and they confirmed that you can't sell them.
If you could, the more someone owned, the cheaper the upgrade price, plus the more spare licences they would have to sell.
Very good for people in that position, but the market would be flooded with UVI license transfer sales which would impact new sales.

The hardware equivalent would be trading an iPhone 20 for an iPhone 21 with Apple for a 75% discount and then expecting to be able to keep the iPhone 20 to sell.
You only get the large discount because you are giving something up.

Also, earlier in this thread:
"I was switched to the FX bundle at one stage, without really understanding what that meant, and could no longer sell individual FX even tho I had bought all but one individually. Like you it looked as if I could in ilok."

UVI should have made it clearer, but I had zero expectation that I would be able to keep my old licences if I had decided to upgrade.

[waxtrax]

UVI should have made it clearer, but I had zero expectation that I would be able to keep my old licences if I had decided to upgrade.

Agreed. My upgrade price was good enough that I don't feel truly "burned" or anything like that, but it still would have been nice to know definitively beforehand.

I am curious to see what their response will be to my case, though, where I have multiple licenses for Falcon.

[agharta]

UVI should have made it clearer, but I had zero expectation that I would be able to keep my old licences if I had decided to upgrade.

Agreed. My upgrade price was good enough that I don't feel truly "burned" or anything like that, but it still would have been nice to know definitively beforehand.

I am curious to see what their response will be to my case, though, where I have multiple licenses for Falcon.

As they have to manually approve all transfers, I would hope that they would allow one to be sold.
But what if they took that into consideration when calculating your upgrade price?
Although, I doubt any extra discount would be close to the second hand value.
I hope they do the right thing here.

[waxtrax]

If not, I can currently activate Falcon on 9 computers. Maybe I could get some kind of distributed instrument clusters going or something

[agharta]

If not, I can currently activate Falcon on 9 computers. Maybe I could get some kind of distributed instrument clusters going or something

Is that you Mr Zimmer?
His friends don't call him Zimmer frame but Mainframe.

[Caine123]

but then UVI should make it more clear. e.g. why should i buy my upgrade price of 399 euros when i own over 40 products already? then i would better buy a NON upgrade sonic bundle and sell my 40 individual licenses.

100% agree on this. I just put in a support ticket with UVI to see if we can get this clarified.

I already asked them and they confirmed that you can't sell them.
If you could, the more someone owned, the cheaper the upgrade price, plus the more spare licences they would have to sell.
Very good for people in that position, but the market would be flooded with UVI license transfer sales which would impact new sales.

The hardware equivalent would be trading an iPhone 20 for an iPhone 21 with Apple for a 75% discount and then expecting to be able to keep the iPhone 20 to sell.
You only get the large discount because you are giving something up.

Also, earlier in this thread:
"I was switched to the FX bundle at one stage, without really understanding what that meant, and could no longer sell individual FX even tho I had bought all but one individually. Like you it looked as if I could in ilok."

UVI should have made it clearer, but I had zero expectation that I would be able to keep my old licences if I had decided to upgrade.

sure i can understand that, but i got products if i would sell thm 70% off i would be still about getting around 1000 euros excluding the ilok fees. so this way it is now 300 euros upgrade price and loose 1000 euros of all my single plugins. -300 euros + -1000 euros =-1300 euros
or buy for 800 euros with a different account sonicbundle and sell my plugins for 1000 euros = +200 euros.

this is just bad, then they should have given me the upgrade for free (of course not, but by the logic of the prices i mean). i might open a ticket as this is just nonsense and penalizing long time customers over newcomers nothing more.

+ i read on VI Control forum that many got 50 - 100 bucks discount code because they were not happy with their upgrade price, this is pure bad business.

[waxtrax]

I had several hundred dollars in purchases from authorized resellers that were not accounted for in my UVI purchase history. I wrote them before purchasing the bundle and provided the receipts. They issued me a voucher to bring my upgrade price down a little more.

[cryophonik]

I had several hundred dollars in purchases from authorized resellers that were not accounted for in my UVI purchase history. I wrote them before purchasing the bundle and provided the receipts. They issued me a voucher to bring my upgrade price down a little more.

You'd think they'd just base the discount on the products you have registered, not the UVI purchase history. Regardless, that might explain my situation that I had posted last week:

hmmm so if you own nothing you pay around 800 bucks.

if you got some stuff already or most you pay 400 bucks?

I own Falcon 3 + two expansions and a three of their plugins and my price is $799, so apparently not.

I think I did purchase some of my first UVI plugins through a reseller years ago so that might explain why I didn't get much of a discount. However, I did buy and register a secondhand copy of another UVI product after I posted that last week and it dropped my upgrade price to $499.

[epiphaneia]

+ i read on VI Control forum that many got 50 - 100 bucks discount code because they were not happy with their upgrade price, this is pure bad business.

They probably refrained from the fair "which percentage of the sum of the total product value do you own?" calculation because they feared to receive hundreds of "Why is my price different from that of my friend?" support mails and used a simplified pricing rule with a few different brackets that may or not be "unfair" in certain cases. And after they gave out the first vouchers, it´s really hard to control when they receive mails like "Hey, my buddy received a voucher, I feel I get a bad price if I don´t get a voucher too". And then the ones who bought without a voucher will be annoyed. Stuck between a rock and a hard place really.

That thing will blow over quickly after the 14th April though, and UVI will introduce a "Komplete" style model with annual bundle updates - getting more people on board for that is more valuable to them than losing a few $$$ with vouchers.