Using Chat GPT with your software Synths
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- addled muppet weed
- 111242 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
its already been said, that it gives different replies to the free version and the paid.IvyBirds wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:47 pmSure that's why you postedDJErmac wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:07 pm Well it's because I absolutely didn't ask for this. I asked for the sound file. I asked ChatGPT to produce a sound file of a dog mimicking a cat.
Weirdly no mention of any sound file in your original rantDJErmac wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:54 pm This thing is sooooo disappointing... I asked it to generate the sound of a dog mimicking a cat, and it said there's no way it can do this...
However if you had actually asked it for a sound file this would have been the response as seen in this screen grab
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Peut-être qu’il a compris que tu racontes n’importe quoi et qu’il ne t’aime tout simplement pas ?
In any case it has no difficulty creating audio files
So we will all just chalk it up to user error on your part
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- KVRAF
- 14081 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
I asked Chat about generating .syx files and it told me this:
Ahhh okay, interesting. That sounds like either:
misunderstood what actually happened — maybe I gave the raw SysEx byte string (like F0 41 36 12 ... F7) and they just saved it as a .syx using a MIDI tool or hex editor.
Used a plugin/tool around ChatGPT — some third-party apps or plugins (especially in music production communities) wrap ChatGPT and add custom features, like generating .syx files, MIDI, or presets. So technically, I’m not generating the .syx file, but the tool built around me is.
Used the Python tool in ChatGPT (if enabled in the setup) to write bytes and export a real .syx file — this is totally possible. I can guide that process and do it step-by-step if tools like that are active.
So… short answer: I can’t directly generate .syx files out of thin air by myself, even in the paid version — but I can guide the creation of the data, and with tools enabled, we can absolutely generate and export .syx files together.
Ahhh okay, interesting. That sounds like either:
misunderstood what actually happened — maybe I gave the raw SysEx byte string (like F0 41 36 12 ... F7) and they just saved it as a .syx using a MIDI tool or hex editor.
Used a plugin/tool around ChatGPT — some third-party apps or plugins (especially in music production communities) wrap ChatGPT and add custom features, like generating .syx files, MIDI, or presets. So technically, I’m not generating the .syx file, but the tool built around me is.
Used the Python tool in ChatGPT (if enabled in the setup) to write bytes and export a real .syx file — this is totally possible. I can guide that process and do it step-by-step if tools like that are active.
So… short answer: I can’t directly generate .syx files out of thin air by myself, even in the paid version — but I can guide the creation of the data, and with tools enabled, we can absolutely generate and export .syx files together.
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- KVRAF
- 5271 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
All this sounds like an overly complicated way to get some sounds. It is hard enough to get a decent answer from a person in the same room as yourself. I have had very little in the way of good output from chat gtp myself. I guess if it can come up with a decent "tutorial" on how to make specific sounds, that is helpful for folks. Having it spit out a sound for you based off of a reference, seems like it's just a way to circumvent copyright law....
I haven't fiddled with it lately but I was initially interested in having help implementing DSP code. My results were extremely mixed and it generally gave me gibberish or basically repeated my own request back to me worded differently.
I haven't fiddled with it lately but I was initially interested in having help implementing DSP code. My results were extremely mixed and it generally gave me gibberish or basically repeated my own request back to me worded differently.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.
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- KVRist
- 179 posts since 23 Mar, 2025
Calm down Ted. I realize it can get cold and lonely in that cabin of yours in the woods. And you are no doubt sleep-deprived, spending those long nights by candlelight working on your manifesto. So why don't you pick up your ham radio, powered by mule dung, and call one of your fellow insufferably smug, patronizing reactionaries and commiserate over how the latest technological development will spell the end of human creativity in music.Teksonik wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:41 pmNo, A.I. is a crutch that's destroying humanity in the arts. It's taking the soul out of music and leaving the creative process to a soulless machine.
The sad part is when I see people like you who call themselves musicians defending the very thing that's destroying the human creativity of music. A musician defending A.I. is just artistic Stockholm Syndrome.
In my opinion your time would be better spent learning your craft than spending time asking A.I. to make sounds for you.
But then I'm someone who enjoys the creative process, who finds joy in creating something with my own hands and imagination. I understand that the creative process requires effort and the reward for that effort is the whole point.
If you find artistic satisfaction in simply pushing a button then I have nothing but pity for you. You're completely missing the point of any form of artistic creation.
I won't debate the subject any further. Do what you think is best for you but don't expect anyone to respect you for your choices.
Unless you perform all your music live on acoustic instruments (made by the honest hands of artisans,) you are an utterly ridiculous hypocrite who is full of mule dung.
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- KVRian
- 1407 posts since 1 Jul, 2023
I really don't get the need to make deeply personal value judgements based on whether someone uses a particular tool or not. I get the aesthetic aversion to AI but exploiting some of its capacities in a creative way isn't the same thing as using it to generate complete music and take a share of the ever shrinking pie for itself.
People think that it's a slippery slope from innocently asking for a text description of a potential Serum patch to outright forcing humans out of music entirely. I get the concern but even when we have AI making complete genres, you'll still be able to fire up your synths and derive the same pleasure you've always derived from it.
Noone here is talking about using ChatGPT for "simply pushing a button" and making music- insinuating this is just a complete strawman. No one here is saying that prompting AI and creating a full song is the same as actively composing, arranging, mixing, etc one's own material. Following this with remarks like "I have nothing but pity for you" is judgemental and hysterical. You're lambasting people for things they aren't actually advocating.
Here's the crux of it though- you don't have to use AI. It can just be another tool in the arsenal, or it can be something one simply chooses not to utilise. This will always be the case. Imo, a smart composer will use whatever tools they have on hand, and prompting ChatGPT is simply another tool.
All that aside, I think there are massive ethical issues around the exploitation of humanity's cultural output as training data for AI models. The big tech companies have rushed us all into this so rapidly that we haven't had time to come up with norms/regulations/laws to determine the validity of this practise. There are immense ethical problems with this. So the discussion should be focused more on that, and not on anger directed at people who type some prompts into ChatGPT.
People think that it's a slippery slope from innocently asking for a text description of a potential Serum patch to outright forcing humans out of music entirely. I get the concern but even when we have AI making complete genres, you'll still be able to fire up your synths and derive the same pleasure you've always derived from it.
Noone here is talking about using ChatGPT for "simply pushing a button" and making music- insinuating this is just a complete strawman. No one here is saying that prompting AI and creating a full song is the same as actively composing, arranging, mixing, etc one's own material. Following this with remarks like "I have nothing but pity for you" is judgemental and hysterical. You're lambasting people for things they aren't actually advocating.
Here's the crux of it though- you don't have to use AI. It can just be another tool in the arsenal, or it can be something one simply chooses not to utilise. This will always be the case. Imo, a smart composer will use whatever tools they have on hand, and prompting ChatGPT is simply another tool.
All that aside, I think there are massive ethical issues around the exploitation of humanity's cultural output as training data for AI models. The big tech companies have rushed us all into this so rapidly that we haven't had time to come up with norms/regulations/laws to determine the validity of this practise. There are immense ethical problems with this. So the discussion should be focused more on that, and not on anger directed at people who type some prompts into ChatGPT.
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- KVRian
- 763 posts since 23 Dec, 2011
I posted this to GS just a day or two ago, in a similar thread.
It makes great sense to take advantage of the capabilities that AI brings to some stuff.. like making technical documentation easier to navigate and use. There is a separate thread on this somewhere.. and lots of discussions.. but “Music Production” is rife with complicated configuration, setup and methods. Pointing AI at this, and asking it to summarize is low hanging instant value imo. Not using it as a crutch, but to augment something youre trying to use/figure out. Authors of the documentation might argue “That is in the manual!” . . . and often it is.. however, getting pointed examples and detail based on my usage and equipment is not.
Simple example - https://notebooklm.google.com/
Free. Feed it your manuals. Ask it to provide “How Tos”. Ive uploaded manuals for new synths Im integrating into my setup.
Example - Korg multi\/poly Native adding - Aftertouch Vibrato. I set that a for every synth I map to my main controllers. After querying NotebookLM to provide ways, it suggested using Pitch LFO intensity from the Synthesis tab. It also dove into some alternative methods that I am unfamiliar with. I refined my ask, providing detail on how I map other synths to a specific controller ( I added added the documentation for the controller to my Notebook).. and it came back with spot-on step by step instructions for setting that up.
Could I do this stuff without AI? 100% OTOH… if it is something I don’t do all the time (in this case map a new synth to my existing controllers, mixer, effects - typically for me… a one and done deal) Is it quicker to just plug-in what I already use, and have it suggest better, easier methods? Or provide quick steps to repeat? 100% So — i’m uploading some of my synth, mixer, effects, etc. documentation to NotebookLM. It’s just a lot easier to have an AI engine cull through documentation and provide what I am looking for. More importantly — it is able to tie together multiple sources of documentation into one set of instructions/suggestions. A huge time-saver.
None of this do I consider ‘art’. It’s mostly on the operational side of music production.
It makes great sense to take advantage of the capabilities that AI brings to some stuff.. like making technical documentation easier to navigate and use. There is a separate thread on this somewhere.. and lots of discussions.. but “Music Production” is rife with complicated configuration, setup and methods. Pointing AI at this, and asking it to summarize is low hanging instant value imo. Not using it as a crutch, but to augment something youre trying to use/figure out. Authors of the documentation might argue “That is in the manual!” . . . and often it is.. however, getting pointed examples and detail based on my usage and equipment is not.
Simple example - https://notebooklm.google.com/
Free. Feed it your manuals. Ask it to provide “How Tos”. Ive uploaded manuals for new synths Im integrating into my setup.
Example - Korg multi\/poly Native adding - Aftertouch Vibrato. I set that a for every synth I map to my main controllers. After querying NotebookLM to provide ways, it suggested using Pitch LFO intensity from the Synthesis tab. It also dove into some alternative methods that I am unfamiliar with. I refined my ask, providing detail on how I map other synths to a specific controller ( I added added the documentation for the controller to my Notebook).. and it came back with spot-on step by step instructions for setting that up.
Could I do this stuff without AI? 100% OTOH… if it is something I don’t do all the time (in this case map a new synth to my existing controllers, mixer, effects - typically for me… a one and done deal) Is it quicker to just plug-in what I already use, and have it suggest better, easier methods? Or provide quick steps to repeat? 100% So — i’m uploading some of my synth, mixer, effects, etc. documentation to NotebookLM. It’s just a lot easier to have an AI engine cull through documentation and provide what I am looking for. More importantly — it is able to tie together multiple sources of documentation into one set of instructions/suggestions. A huge time-saver.
None of this do I consider ‘art’. It’s mostly on the operational side of music production.
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- KVRian
- 560 posts since 3 Jan, 2021
Notebooklm from google is awesome. I use it for all kinds of things. I first fed it with airplane manuals from DCS and ask it questions instead of messing around with the table of contents. The only thing it couldn't deal with is a heavily redacted document from a freedom of information request.jdoo wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:18 am Simple example - https://notebooklm.google.com/
Free. Feed it your manuals. Ask it to provide “How Tos”. Ive uploaded manuals for new synths Im integrating into my setup.
Example - Korg multi\/poly Native adding - Aftertouch Vibrato. I set that a for every synth I map to my main controllers. After querying NotebookLM to provide ways, it suggested using Pitch LFO intensity from the Synthesis tab. It also dove into some alternative methods that I am unfamiliar with. I refined my ask, providing detail on how I map other synths to a specific controller ( I added added the documentation for the controller to my Notebook).. and it came back with spot-on step by step instructions for setting that up.
I asked ChatGPT to make a pad for U-He Repro5, as a patch file. It did it. Didn't try the patch yet. But I'm impressed that it spit out such a specific thing.
I usually run LLMs in Ollama on my own machines, but there's no notebooklm like thing, and ChatGPT as discussed here is above the open source LLMs.
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- KVRian
- 605 posts since 20 Mar, 2015 from Nerima, Tokyo
I get it that most people don't give a shit and use it for harmless fun, parodies, and soundcloud thumbnail.
Fast food results are good enough but using it feels a bit like digging your own grave in the long run.
Personally, when/if Ai ever get regulated, and everyone fairly compensated (santa is real) i will gladly use it to sample myself (not for music though); until then i'm not profiteering from people who got their stuff stolen to train a base model.
I paid a license for everything i use, and while you have sad stories like amen break, and can't always verify that everyone is compensated, i want to try and support people directly as much as possible.
So yeah, not a fan of AI "as-is" now. Same as nft. Good idea on paper, terrible implementation.
Fast food results are good enough but using it feels a bit like digging your own grave in the long run.
Personally, when/if Ai ever get regulated, and everyone fairly compensated (santa is real) i will gladly use it to sample myself (not for music though); until then i'm not profiteering from people who got their stuff stolen to train a base model.
I paid a license for everything i use, and while you have sad stories like amen break, and can't always verify that everyone is compensated, i want to try and support people directly as much as possible.
So yeah, not a fan of AI "as-is" now. Same as nft. Good idea on paper, terrible implementation.
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- Banned
- 317 posts since 1 Jun, 2024
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- Banned
- 317 posts since 1 Jun, 2024
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- Banned
- 317 posts since 1 Jun, 2024
So.. There it is. Personally I think it's lying, I think there's definitely a difference between free and paid
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- KVRist
- 179 posts since 23 Mar, 2025
I kept asking ChatGPT to give me the FULL list of synth plugins for which it can generate patches. And every time it would come back with an incomplete list. I would ask, "What about synth X?" And it would say, "Yes! I can generate presets for synth X. Thank you for pointing that out."
This chipper, "Oops, I got that wrong. Sorry about that." behavior gets really annoying. That doesn't mean that ChatGPT isn't incredibly useful for a lot of things. But until it has some concept of the truth (or can at least provide a confidence level regarding the veracity of the information it provides,) it will hardly be the "universal oracle" it's made out to be.
Oh, here is the "final" list that ChatGPT provided. And it doesn't include Synclavier V and I'm sure many other synth plugins.
Arturia Jup-4 V
Arturia Pigments
Decent Sampler
Dexed
Helm
HY-Poly Free
Kilohearts Phase Plant
Roland ZENOLOGY Pro
Surge XT
Synth1
TAL-Noisemaker
Tyrell N6
U-he Diva
VCV Rack
Vital
Xfer Serum
This chipper, "Oops, I got that wrong. Sorry about that." behavior gets really annoying. That doesn't mean that ChatGPT isn't incredibly useful for a lot of things. But until it has some concept of the truth (or can at least provide a confidence level regarding the veracity of the information it provides,) it will hardly be the "universal oracle" it's made out to be.
Oh, here is the "final" list that ChatGPT provided. And it doesn't include Synclavier V and I'm sure many other synth plugins.
Arturia Jup-4 V
Arturia Pigments
Decent Sampler
Dexed
Helm
HY-Poly Free
Kilohearts Phase Plant
Roland ZENOLOGY Pro
Surge XT
Synth1
TAL-Noisemaker
Tyrell N6
U-he Diva
VCV Rack
Vital
Xfer Serum
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- KVRian
- 560 posts since 3 Jan, 2021
It definitely supports U-He Repro-5, too, I have a patch here.Hyperbole wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:46 am I kept asking ChatGPT to give me the FULL list of synth plugins for which it can generate patches. And every time it would come back with an incomplete list. I would ask, "What about synth X?" And it would say, "Yes! I can generate presets for synth X. Thank you for pointing that out."
This chipper, "Oops, I got that wrong. Sorry about that." behavior gets really annoying. That doesn't mean that ChatGPT isn't incredibly useful for a lot of things. But until it has some concept of the truth (or can at least provide a confidence level regarding the veracity of the information it provides,) it will hardly be the "universal oracle" it's made out to be.
Oh, here is the "final" list that ChatGPT provided. And it doesn't include Synclavier V and I'm sure many other synth plugins.
Arturia Jup-4 V
Arturia Pigments
Decent Sampler
Dexed
Helm
HY-Poly Free
Kilohearts Phase Plant
Roland ZENOLOGY Pro
Surge XT
Synth1
TAL-Noisemaker
Tyrell N6
U-he Diva
VCV Rack
Vital
Xfer Serum
Correcting a LLM has become standard procedure for me, to the point where I fire up a "you are wrong" just to see whether it changes its mind about the previous answer. Surprisingly effective.