Does anyone NOT like Diva?

[Gam456]

I would like to have some type of "relevance" or "still used" metric for soft synths, Diva for sure is now in the top3 along Sylenth1 and classic massive, but it seems to me that since it is the only one backed by a developer committed to its longevity and improvement it will surpass them eventually, massive probably has a couple of updates left before NI kills it.

Diva is NOT top3 for sound. Diva is a classic and deservedly so.

May be... maybe not. Sound is way too subjective

[jtsterays]

I can't argue about sound cause that's subjective but Diva as a whole is the best analog soft synth that still remains unmatched. The combination of being able to mix and match unique modules, gives you enough features and modular elements so you can go beyond the hardware but not so much that you feel overwhelmed. Nicely laid out UI and pretty brilliantly designed too (e.g the LFO module got everything important packed into that small rectangle but doesn't feel complex) and top all of that with superb preset system. Deserves to be classic.

But not perfect though, need some updates. The mod tab need to be changed to Hive's immediately. Some more aggressive modules cause right now Diva feels really Roland atleast for me, MS20 is not enough. Preferably even more optimization. Urs also talked about an improved Moog model a while ago, they didn't include some quirks of the hardware and they also have a "better" Minimoog now, the one they modeled for Diva was very soft.

[starflakeprj]

Define "like" in this case, it's not really my go-to synth, far from it. I own all u-he synths, but for some reason I almost never use them. It's not about the sound though, I believe it has to do with "chemistry". I tend to use synths that objectively (or subjectively) sounds...not as good as Diva. Maybe I'm just not into that "analog" sound that Diva provide. But if I had to pick betweein Diva and The Legend HZ I would probably go for The Legend HZ, and I also like DUNE very much.

Otherwise I would say I use Falcon, Avenger, RAPID and Icarus a lot more, so maybe I'm just more into digital and cold sounding synths

[EfreetiSultan]

I don't like it because it's way too deep for me and the ui doesn't speak to me. Sounds great but if I don't enjoy using it then who cares. And sounding good in vst plugins is laughable since most of the plugins sound identical given identical settings.

Some synths are unique though, like Spire and Sylenth1, those sound unique just with a basic saw wave.. Especially Sylenth1, sounds like there's dispersion or phase coloration in the actual base sound.

[vitocorleone123]

I would like to have some type of "relevance" or "still used" metric for soft synths, Diva for sure is now in the top3 along Sylenth1 and classic massive, but it seems to me that since it is the only one backed by a developer committed to its longevity and improvement it will surpass them eventually, massive probably has a couple of updates left before NI kills it.

Diva is NOT top3 for sound. Diva is a classic and deservedly so.

May be... maybe not. Sound is way too subjective

Sure. All I’m saying is I have, and have tried, a lot of synths - but only over the last 10 years. I have modern hardware analog synths. I sold Diva because it no longer was worth what it cost to me in terms of 1) sound, and, 2) UX.

There’s nothing “wrong” or “bad” with Diva. It’s just not all that anymore in terms of sound when I compared to contemporaries and hardware. I’m sure that once Urs finally circles back to it that it’ll get a much-needed boost. It was definitely ahead of its time. But don’t let the past fool you into thinking it’s equivalent in the future.

[IvyBirds]

I would like to have some type of "relevance" or "still used" metric for soft synths, Diva for sure is now in the top3 along Sylenth1 and classic massive, but it seems to me that since it is the only one backed by a developer committed to its longevity and improvement it will surpass them eventually, massive probably has a couple of updates left before NI kills it.

Diva is NOT top3 for sound. Diva is a classic and deservedly so.

May be... maybe not. Sound is way too subjective

Sure. All I’m saying is I have, and have tried, a lot of synths - but only over the last 10 years. I have modern hardware analog synths. I sold Diva because it no longer was worth what it cost to me in terms of 1) sound, and, 2) UX.

There’s nothing “wrong” or “bad” with Diva. It’s just not all that anymore in terms of sound when I compared to contemporaries and hardware. I’m sure that once Urs finally circles back to it that it’ll get a much-needed boost. It was definitely ahead of its time. But don’t let the past fool you into thinking it’s equivalent in the future.

What modern analog hardware synth costs $159-$179 American Dollars and doesn't take up any space in my home studio?

I go into local music stores that have great synth sections, or go to Sweetwater in Indiana as I have family in the Ft Wayne area and demo modern Analog Hardware Synths that cost thousands of dollars and always walk away thinking gee this sounds nice but I have Diva and other software synths that sound amazing at home and don't need to spend thousands

[vitocorleone123]

I would like to have some type of "relevance" or "still used" metric for soft synths, Diva for sure is now in the top3 along Sylenth1 and classic massive, but it seems to me that since it is the only one backed by a developer committed to its longevity and improvement it will surpass them eventually, massive probably has a couple of updates left before NI kills it.

Diva is NOT top3 for sound. Diva is a classic and deservedly so.

May be... maybe not. Sound is way too subjective

Sure. All I’m saying is I have, and have tried, a lot of synths - but only over the last 10 years. I have modern hardware analog synths. I sold Diva because it no longer was worth what it cost to me in terms of 1) sound, and, 2) UX.

There’s nothing “wrong” or “bad” with Diva. It’s just not all that anymore in terms of sound when I compared to contemporaries and hardware. I’m sure that once Urs finally circles back to it that it’ll get a much-needed boost. It was definitely ahead of its time. But don’t let the past fool you into thinking it’s equivalent in the future.

What modern analog hardware synth costs $159-$179 American Dollars and doesn't take up any space in my home studio?

I go into local music stores that have great synth sections, or go to Sweetwater in Indiana as I have family in the Ft Wayne area and demo modern Analog Hardware Synths that cost thousands of dollars and always walk away thinking gee this sounds nice but I have Diva and other software synths that sound amazing at home and don't need to spend thousands

What's your point? That Diva sounds okay? It does.

No one needs Diva, either, because there's cheaper software synths that sound better - Diva is also a poor investment, which you seem to be focusing on. And there's software synths that take up less space on the hard drive, too. Guess there was no need to spend that $159-$179!

[chagzuki]

The trimmers section allows for adjusting the degree of randomness, so one can really tailor the 'analog' behaviour. I think it sounds great. Along with the voice stacking it's really deep.

[midi_transmission]

I would like to have some type of "relevance" or "still used" metric for soft synths, Diva for sure is now in the top3 along Sylenth1 and classic massive, but it seems to me that since it is the only one backed by a developer committed to its longevity and improvement it will surpass them eventually, massive probably has a couple of updates left before NI kills it.

Diva is NOT top3 for sound. Diva is a classic and deservedly so.

what's your top3?

[Gam456]

No one needs Diva, either, because there's cheaper software synths that sound better

I'm curious. Wich one?

[Examigan]

I would like to have some type of "relevance" or "still used" metric for soft synths, Diva for sure is now in the top3 along Sylenth1 and classic massive, but it seems to me that since it is the only one backed by a developer committed to its longevity and improvement it will surpass them eventually, massive probably has a couple of updates left before NI kills it.

Diva is NOT top3 for sound. Diva is a classic and deservedly so.

what's your top3?

The sound is subjective, but Diva is in my top 5. I won’t bother making a list for the others.

About the price: there was a 50% off sale a while back, or you can buy it for cheaper from the Buy/Sell forum.

[vitocorleone123]

No one needs Diva, either, because there's cheaper software synths that sound better

I'm curious. Wich one?

All the Softube (regular sales)
Some other uhe (depends on sales)
All the gforce (except maybe the minimonsta, regular sales)
Twin3 (depending on if you have other FF, sales)
etc

... all sound as good or better to me. I simply didn't enjoy using Diva and thought the sound was no longer the best, and I wanted what I thought best. Diva wasn't for me.

What they don't have is the flexibility of Diva in terms of mixing components (Twin3 has its own kind of flexibility as it isn't an emulation).

If/when uhe make improvements, I'll absolutely demo the new version.

[IvyBirds]

No one needs Diva, either, because there's cheaper software synths that sound better

I'm curious. Wich one?

All the Softube (regular sales)
Some other uhe (depends on sales)
All the gforce (except maybe the minimonsta, regular sales)
Twin3 (depending on if you have other FF, sales)
etc

... all sound as good or better to me. I simply didn't enjoy using Diva and thought the sound was no longer the best, and I wanted what I thought best. Diva wasn't for me.

What they don't have is the flexibility of Diva in terms of mixing components (Twin3 has its own kind of flexibility as it isn't an emulation).

If/when uhe make improvements, I'll absolutely demo the new version.

The only problem with your theory is that DIVA due to the fact it's semi modular in nature and is not emulating any specific vintage synth is able to make sounds they can't

I have all the synths from U-he, and GForce, and most of the ones from Softube

I can make sounds with DIVA they can't do and they can do sounds that DIVA can't do

There is no better or worse just different tools for different things

The good news is for less than the cost of most vintage hardware synths and most non Behringer modern analogs you can buy all of them

[vitocorleone123]

No one needs Diva, either, because there's cheaper software synths that sound better

I'm curious. Wich one?

All the Softube (regular sales)
Some other uhe (depends on sales)
All the gforce (except maybe the minimonsta, regular sales)
Twin3 (depending on if you have other FF, sales)
etc

... all sound as good or better to me. I simply didn't enjoy using Diva and thought the sound was no longer the best, and I wanted what I thought best. Diva wasn't for me.

What they don't have is the flexibility of Diva in terms of mixing components (Twin3 has its own kind of flexibility as it isn't an emulation).

If/when uhe make improvements, I'll absolutely demo the new version.

The only problem with your theory is that DIVA due to the fact it's semi modular in nature and is not emulating any specific vintage synth is able to make sounds they can't

I have all the synths from U-he, and GForce, and most of the ones from Softube

I can make sounds with DIVA they can't do and they can do sounds that DIVA can't do

There is no better or worse just different tools for different things

The good news is for less than the cost of most vintage hardware synths and most non Behringer modern analogs you can buy all of them

Incorrect. The ones I've selected for myself still all sound better to me, and Diva clearly can't sound better than Diva. I'm not saying it would sound like that to everyone, but, to me, Diva isn't at the top-tier anymore, sonically. It's close, though (which proves it used to be very much ahead of its time).

I get the tools that sound best to me and (mostly) don't compromise on that. If Diva sounds just as good to you, that's awesome. Use it, and enjoy. But, then, this thread isn't for you anymore, is it?

[Najimad]

here! Had it, but never used it.
Might be a good synth.
I always prefered Zebra2.
Old synths and still.popular,
Z3 will be awesome.