Arturia Jup-8000 V

[IvyBirds]

This is super exciting. This is the ultimate supersaw sound. Whatever they did to create this was tuned for a really great sound. Roland had some pretty juicy digital filters. Now just need to work out the best value way to get hold of it.

The Virus never was as good as this, and while modern supersaws can be good, but do not have the character this had.

So strange it's taken until now to get a decent version of this.

It sounds exactly like the supersaw in Pigments because the underlying synth engine is the same.

[Super Piano Hater 64]

It sounds exactly like the supersaw in Pigments because the underlying synth engine is the same.

In that case, it shouldn't be too much trouble to recreate patches in Pigments for comparison. Have any examples handy?

[_leras]

It sounds exactly like the supersaw in Pigments because the underlying synth engine is the same.

I haven't heard anyone saying that Pigments was a JP-8000 replacement.

It makes sense they might add a jp-8000 supersaw with the intention to later make a synth, but I'm sure it'd need the other parts of the synth to actually sound like a jp-8000.

If you have any sound examples I'd love to hear it. (I don't recall Sami/Aiyn Zahev sounds making jp-8000 like sounds with his pigments sound sets.)

[Hyperbole]

It sounds exactly like the supersaw in Pigments because the underlying synth engine is the same.

In that case, it shouldn't be too much trouble to recreate patches in Pigments for comparison. Have any examples handy?

I think the claim is that the synth engine responsible for generating the supersaw waveform in the Jup-8000 V is the same as that used to generate the supersaw waveform in Pigments. Not that Pigments can create the same sounds as the Jup-8000 V. For that to be possible, Pigments would need the same filter model, the same envelope shapes, etc. as in the Jup-8000 V.

I'm sure Arturia could expose these features in Pigments. But why would they? That would cut into sales of the Jup-8000 V.

[Tj Shredder]

I'm sure Arturia could expose these features in Pigments. But why would they? That would cut into sales of the Jup-8000 V.

I doubt it. The reason to buy such an emulation is mainly nostalgia and collectivism. Sound designers prefer complex synths not available in ancient hardware…
Hobbyists is the real market…
If they included the filters in Pigments it would help the sales of Pigments, which isn‘t part of the V-Collection for a reason…

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Allan Morrow soundbank:


https://allanmorrowstudios.com/trance-m ... x-presets/

REALLY SHOWS THE CHARACTER OF THIS SYNTH!
It doesn't matter if it's not 100% emulation. It's just great synth.

I hope sound designers will realize it can do much more than trance.

Compared to Spire, it doesn't sound that good in my opinion. Personally, I would prefer Korg Multi/Poly over JUP-8kV.... way more versatile.

https://soundcloud.com/allenwattsmusic/ ... -for-spire

I agree, technically Spire sounds better than 8000 V. Even better than Virus TI2.
But more important, I think, is the connection you make with an instrument.
I can connect to Spire & 8000 V easily, but not to Virus or Nord, even though I can run them in VST thanks to DSP56300.
Anyway, music is quite demanding - I think only when I retire I will be able to dedicate more than 8 hours a day to playing, studying theory and creating what I really want.
There's no point in making "anything", just so one can call himself "musician". That's an illusion.
Until then, I follow synths, DAWs, CPUs. It is very likely that all synths from my list will be available in the following decades, in some updated form.

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I'm sure Arturia could expose these features in Pigments. But why would they? That would cut into sales of the Jup-8000 V.

I doubt it. The reason to buy such an emulation is mainly nostalgia and collectivism. Sound designers prefer complex synths not available in ancient hardware…
Hobbyists is the real market…
If they included the filters in Pigments it would help the sales of Pigments, which isn‘t part of the V-Collection for a reason…

I don't think it's just hobbyists.
HW JP is still used in real studios. It's a great synth, and plugin captures a lot of that character.
Minimoog is ancient hardware, yet people still make patches for it

[IvyBirds]

It sounds exactly like the supersaw in Pigments because the underlying synth engine is the same.

I haven't heard anyone saying that Pigments was a JP-8000 replacement.

It makes sense they might add a jp-8000 supersaw with the intention to later make a synth, but I'm sure it'd need the other parts of the synth to actually sound like a jp-8000.

If you have any sound examples I'd love to hear it. (I don't recall Sami/Aiyn Zahev sounds making jp-8000 like sounds with his pigments sound sets.)

in Pigments under the Analog Unison section, there is a section called "super". This is what the manual says about it

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That feature when used in Pigments sounds exactly the same. Try it for yourself

I was specifically addressing the comment that

This is super exciting. This is the ultimate supersaw sound. Whatever they did to create this was tuned for a really great sound. Roland had some pretty juicy digital filters. Now just need to work out the best value way to get hold of it.

The Virus never was as good as this, and while modern supersaws can be good, but do not have the character this had.

So strange it's taken until now to get a decent version of this.

I am talking about the Supersaw Sound itself, Arturia already nailed that sound in Pigments and I firmly believe that Jup-8000 is just a repackaged form of Pigments with the same underlying engine

That is why it can't load actual JP-8000 presets and doesn't sound exactly the same and is missing features of the original

The same goes for Pure Lofi and Augmented they are just Pigments also

What Arturia did was to take Pigments and change the GUI to strip out everything from Pigments that wasn't needed to emulate a JP-8000. Then they tweaked the envelope a touch and tweaked the "classic" filter from Pigments a bit, or just made a new one that kinds sorta sounds like the one in the JP-8000

That's awesome if your goal is 1990s Supersaw Trance timbres that sound very similar to the JP-8000, but if your goal is to do more general VA sound design or use Supersaws in other ways you are better off with Pigments

[hcv242]

im in my very late 40s now, and i remember the very first time i heard a super saw. i disliked it to death. from then on, it was like the plague in many styles of music. detroit did not care about it, though. that's all i have to say. ta ta.

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im in my very late 40s now, and i remember the very first time i heard a super saw. i disliked it to death. from then on, it was like the plague in many styles of music. detroit did not care about it, though. that's all i have to say. ta ta.

I find JP supersaw a continuation of Oberheim unison, for example. So it's far from entirely new sound.
But on Oberheim, unison is a bit too thick, more difficult to mix.
I like the original Roland supersaw because it's kinda "airy", but no too much (no stereo spread). You can make great leads with it, for every style, not just trance.
While this Arturia emu can't do every JP sound, it's the first which makes you feel like you're playing the real synth from late 90s. Good enough!

[Rastkovic]

In case you need some original JP8k sounds for comparison.

https://soundcloud.com/vengeancesound/w ... ound-com-1

[Rastkovic]

https://soundcloud.com/vengeancesound/w ... ound-de-22

[frag]

Those who own HW JP-8000/8080 and these Vengeance soundsets, as well other soundsets, may now recreate them in Arturia plugin.

JP owners say that plugin doesn't sound EXACTLY like JP straightaway, but can be made to sound like JP. So it requires work, and the end result is certainly better than with other plugins.

On the other hand, there is no need to exactly recreate original soundbanks. 8000 V stands on its own as a good, easy-to-use synth.

[Rastkovic]

Okay, I downloaded the demo. If you disable the FX and tone controls, it doesn't sound harsh. The additional mod functions under the hood are nice. It sounds quite good, I like it, but I would have preferred an emulated JP-8080 anyway. Besides the GUI would look much cooler, I would have appreciated the additional features. No white noise in the OSC2 section, is a little bummer.

[Rastkovic]

First question: can it load JP-8000/8080 patches?

No.

Here's comments from Adam Szabo:

"First impressions, it uses a TON of CPU. The filter Is wrong, they didnt emulate any of the JPs onboard chorus effect (they just did a generic one), they dont have the "wide" mode on the osc 2 semitone, you cannot do any cool sync sounds without it, and its only a single layer, so you wont do any "performance" patches with it"

Regarding the wide function: There is an additional coarse knob in JUP-8kV, it does practically the same thing as the wide mode? I would say yes. +/-48 semitones, are of course +/-4 octaves.

From the JP-8080 manual:

jp8080-wide-function.png