Software vs Hardware

[IvyBirds]

But setting just the range is easy. You simply use a Note FX Midi and can adjust the range by setting the low end as parameter value, and then dial it in the modulation to whatever max you want. that is 1000 times faster than drawing a curve. Only if you want to change the curvature its a bit more complicated...

But you can do exactly that in Gig Performer and then do significantly more if you wish

You can use one of the predefined curves from the menu, you can modify a predefined curve shape, or you can custom design whatever you want in whatever shape you want

It's super simple and fast and most importantly is dead simple to use

You also got a super simple curves for the modulators in Bitwig, which simply cover all my needs. It looks almost as your curve. I bet you'd be happy. You even do not need to draw them
Bitwig Curves.png

I don't need to draw them in Gig Performer either but it's nice to be able to if that is what the muses demand, I can make them as simple or as complex if I want using Bitwig for this would be a giant step backwards

Curves for MIDI CCs however are just one of many reasons why the workflow of Gig Performer is superior for sound design and for live performance over Bitwig or any other DAW. Sure there are many things both Bitwig and GP can do that is similar, but when you put all of those things into a package Gig Performer is simple better

[Funky40]

This here is part of an EQ morph.

You definitely need Midi 2.0 Midi 1.0 isn‘t fine enough. I would do such things more likely in extra plugins like pure data, this would open up even more what you do, or just get into Max/MSP that is what I use for such tasks…
Anyway all this you can‘t do in hardware, unless you put it in a limited computer caged in a box which still has to be programmed on a proper computer, which could handle it directly…

I have no problems with midi 1.0 in GP. Can´t say why.
i mean i was dealing over a period of 15years nearly solely with my modular.
I´d think i would hear if something was stepped. But i never heard anything that had bothered me. So, it´s not there, or it is just not bothering me

No, max and pure data would not be same. it would more than just quadruple the workload. way way way more i´d say.

I just sarted to use puredate based .PD stuff btw..
it´s not working fine within GP. Can´t follow that path further

I´d ***Really***like to be able to patch myself a sample-jam player together. But that´s it then.
Most stuff i do is Piano based. Non production works. But the development of these patches. i have a strong focus on Piano or EP, cause it is the most flexible sound, and sounds best.
Now with more CPU power will i look again into the physical modelling synths.

Anyway all this you can‘t do in hardware,.....

That´s how it is.
and that´s why HW is nolonger a point for me.
The jam + expression potential is with a SW-based setup just beyond to where we could take it with HW

[Funky40]

Sure there are many things both Bitwig and GP can do that is similar, but when you put all of those things into a package Gig Performer is simple better

You have there a point !

in GP can i have many "patches" ("projects" vs. a DAW) loaded side by side.
i can switch between those as if a ´d switch presets in a Synth-workstation.
That alone is indispensable for me.

one thing why i hate to load DAWs. i nearly forgot about that. I switch permanently. work on this, then work on that, ....and: Jam ! play ! jam ! have fun !

[HAL76]

Only in this context we are talking about two synth parts used together to make a singular timbre not layering vocals

Again you layer a DX7 for the attack portion of a timbre with a Juno for the rest, and you use a DAW

And be careful of calling anything sound design unless you are doing music for the same people will call you out because apparently it's wrong for synthesists to use that term when it comes to designing sounds in synthesizers

I don't know exactly what you're getting at, but I know very well that concepts are will-o'-the-wisps. I generally doubt that language can depict reality ("can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? a smile from a veil").

When we talk about synthesizers, it's always about the creative process and the result – and as I said, after all these years, I think that the terms "sound design" and "production technique" can't be clearly separated; they are two different things.

If you layer drums, for example, you can generally say that it's more in the direction of sound design, I think. But you can go much further by creating variations and thereby completely changing the rhythm, perhaps even enabling it in the first place.

But can you actually put that into words?

[NOLA3363]

I have no problems incorporating both, and there are several VST synths that are really good, but I wouldn't put them in the same category as my nicer hardware synths. It's a pretty stark difference in my opinion as far as tonality goes. VST's are great for recall and they certainly have other strengths as well, but they take quite a bit more work as far as layering sounds and mixing processes for them to get into the same stereo field of lushness and depth as a quality hardware synth. Which sometimes isn't what you might want anyway and VST's can and often do excel in separate dynamics that I prefer, such as, on bass. Both are great and can sound great together but they are different, and without processing I've never heard a VST that sounds as rich in harmonic content as a good hardware synth straight out of the box.

[SamDi]

I'm sure the dodos would appreciate that sentiment if they were still around to do so. You really should stop now, you're just showing how uncaring people are, narrowly focused on only what they, as individuals, want and nothing outside that even exists.

You should remember, where this discussion came from: It came from saying from my side, that people are too aggressive even in this forum, where it goes about nothing existential and they should be nicer. Then you answered, that many people are frustrated, because the world is so bad and ugly. So maybe I should make my point clearer:
I think it's better to accept the world as it is in a first step and in a second step I try to be as gentle, nice and honest as possible to at least take my own responsibility to make the world better in my environment and action-space.

To be worried about all and everything, get frustrated and then being sarcastic and ranting, what I regard the worse option.
If you think that's narrow-minded, well then - it's your free opinion.
Anyway I'll stop this off-topic from my side now.

[BONES]

I see aggression around here at all, really. People need to harden up, it's like dealing with kindergarten kids at times.

Accepting the world as it is giving up, letting them win. That's not acceptable at all, in any measure. We can and should expect better, do better and be better. Being nice all the time is a losing proposition and a waste of time. If you have any passion for anything, it just won't work.

[Tj Shredder]

You know that tale about the two dogs running into a hall of mirrors? If they would have conscientiousness, they could try both attempts… Give it a try - I did, and it does make a difference…; - )
You need Aikido skills instead of Karate… Both don‘t let the f**kers (as you call them) win…

[BONES]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Tj Shredder]

obviously...; - )

[vurt]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

using the oppositions strength to defeat them.
no attacks in aikido, it's all defensive.

[pdxindy]

Curves for MIDI CCs however are just one of many reasons why the workflow of Gig Performer is superior for sound design and for live performance over Bitwig or any other DAW. Sure there are many things both Bitwig and GP can do that is similar, but when you put all of those things into a package Gig Performer is simple better

Gig Performer has many specialized tools for creating live performance setups. Absolutely it's better than Bitwig or other DAWs for that purpose.

Except I would still use Bitwig for that purpose because Bitwig supports CLAP plugins and I can use Bitwig's modulation system polyphonically with my favorite software synths. This single feature is more valuable to me than any other advantages.

[kraster]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

The tale of two dogs is that a woman sees two dogs emerge from a room at different times.

One is wagging its tale and very happy, the other is growling and upset.

When the woman looks into the room she sees a hall of mirrors.

The first dog saw a thousand dogs wagging their tales and the second saw a thousand angry dogs.

It's a roundabout way of saying that we get out what we put into it and our frustrations and pleasures can be amplified by our perceptions.

[IvyBirds]

Curves for MIDI CCs however are just one of many reasons why the workflow of Gig Performer is superior for sound design and for live performance over Bitwig or any other DAW. Sure there are many things both Bitwig and GP can do that is similar, but when you put all of those things into a package Gig Performer is simple better

Gig Performer has many specialized tools for creating live performance setups. Absolutely it's better than Bitwig or other DAWs for that purpose.

Except I would still use Bitwig for that purpose because Bitwig supports CLAP plugins and I can use Bitwig's modulation system polyphonically with my favorite software synths. This single feature is more valuable to me than any other advantages.

My favorite software Synths already have all the modulation options I need and want, if they didn't they wouldn't be my favorite Synths

Many of my favorite software Synths are also not available in CLAP but all of them are available in VST3

for most people there is no advantage to CLAP, which is why most of the industry ignores it, just like Bitwig

[vurt]

it's now software vs software?