Total Studio 5 MAX released

[Hyperbole]

Syntronik is mostly junk.

A bit harsh. Maybe they don't sound exactly like the original hardware (I wouldn't know) but they sound a lot better than any number of flat sounding VST instruments I have used. Aren't they based on samples of the relevant hardware?

Not really. Yes, Syntronik instruments are comprised of samples from the original hardware instruments. But IK mostly sampled these synthesizers at one velocity level with no round robin samples and the filter "wide open." IK then used the stock Sampletank digital filters to provide dynamics and motion. At that point, Syntronik just is a "flat-sounding VST instrument." Actually, it's worse. Because the "oscillators" are static samples (which may evolve over time but not under user control).

IK could have gotten around this to some degree by sampling each Syntronik instrument at multiple velocity levels and using round robin samples. At least that way the velocity response would have better approximated the original instruments.

[lotus2035]

Anyone know if Syntronik Synth-X has ever been available to purchase separately?
Seems I can only buy it as part of the Syntronik MAX upgrade which is no use to me seeing as Synth-X is the only one I don't have.

Have you tried Arturia SynthX?

No not yet, no harm in picking up both though right? (G.A.S.)

[martinjuenke]

Anyone know if Syntronik Synth-X has ever been available to purchase separately?
Seems I can only buy it as part of the Syntronik MAX upgrade which is no use to me seeing as Synth-X is the only one I don't have.

Have you tried Arturia SynthX?

No not yet, no harm in picking up both though right? (G.A.S.)

Buy now, regret later

[martinjuenke]

[art&sound]

The thing is, sampling a synth is just a weird thing—there are so many possible combinations of sounds you can get with a synth, and the expressiveness per synth is hard to capture... You could pick a few random synths and sample them, and honestly, not many people could identify what synth each sound came from, so the mentioned synths are almost arbitrary.

Take the 303, for example. A big part of the 303 sound relies on the sequencer, envelope, slides... You can't just sample the square and saw waves from it and stick it into a sampler and have it sound right.

That said, the sounds inside Syntronik do sound good. I would treat it more like a rompler full of decent synth sounds, provided you are willing to spare the HD space.

[lotus2035]

Syntronik just is a "flat-sounding VST instrument." Actually, it's worse.

Ok then, they should use that in their advertisements.

[lotus2035]

I would treat it more like a rompler full of decent synth sounds, provided you are willing to spare the HD space.

That's how I see it pretty much, it's another tool in the tool box.

[IvyBirds]

Syntronik is mostly junk.

A bit harsh. Maybe they don't sound exactly like the original hardware (I wouldn't know) but they sound a lot better than any number of flat sounding VST instruments I have used. Aren't they based on samples of the relevant hardware?

Not really. Yes, Syntronik instruments are comprised of samples from the original hardware instruments. But IK mostly sampled these synthesizers at one velocity level with no round robin samples and the filter "wide open." IK then used the stock Sampletank digital filters to provide dynamics and motion. At that point, Syntronik just is a "flat-sounding VST instrument." Actually, it's worse. Because the "oscillators" are static samples (which may evolve over time but not under user control).

IK could have gotten around this to some degree by sampling each Syntronik instrument at multiple velocity levels and using round robin samples. At least that way the velocity response would have better approximated the original instruments.

A few years back I got the buy one get 30 free deal or something like that. I got everything from the entire catalog I cared about

Downloaded it all, got frustrated as hell as when you tried to download everything to an external drive it wants to create a giant temp file on your C drive first m, that's hundreds of GB in size

After I figured that out I ended up sampling a few things on my own and currently nothing is installed not a single KB

[dlandis]

Anyone know if Syntronik Synth-X has ever been available to purchase separately?
Seems I can only buy it as part of the Syntronik MAX upgrade which is no use to me seeing as Synth-X is the only one I don't have.

I'm not sure that it has, but there are a number of other Synth-X emus available that are definitely available on their own. Xils-Lab, Cherry, and Arturia all come to mind. I'm sure that I'm forgetting a few.

[lotus2035]

Anyone know if Syntronik Synth-X has ever been available to purchase separately?
Seems I can only buy it as part of the Syntronik MAX upgrade which is no use to me seeing as Synth-X is the only one I don't have.

I'm not sure that it has, but there are a number of other Synth-X emus available that are definitely available on their own. Xils-Lab, Cherry, and Arturia all come to mind. I'm sure that I'm forgetting a few.

Thanks, even though I use a lot of Cherry Audio and Arturia stuff, I was hoping to pick up the last Syntronik just to complete the collection. Out of curiosity I clicked on Syntronik MAX to check the upgrade price (for me one synth) and it links through to the page for SampleTank MAX v2 which is €187 which again is not much use to me as I already have most of the stuff in SampleTank.
I'm not paying €187 just to get Synth-X. Oh well maybe a deal will pop up sometime.

[Examigan]

There’s also the UVI product:
https://www.uvi.net/synthox.html

[dlandis]

Anyone know if Syntronik Synth-X has ever been available to purchase separately?
Seems I can only buy it as part of the Syntronik MAX upgrade which is no use to me seeing as Synth-X is the only one I don't have.

I'm not sure that it has, but there are a number of other Synth-X emus available that are definitely available on their own. Xils-Lab, Cherry, and Arturia all come to mind. I'm sure that I'm forgetting a few.

Thanks, even though I use a lot of Cherry Audio and Arturia stuff, I was hoping to pick up the last Syntronik just to complete the collection. Out of curiosity I clicked on Syntronik MAX to check the upgrade price (for me one synth) and it links through to the page for SampleTank MAX v2 which is €187 which again is not much use to me as I already have most of the stuff in SampleTank.
I'm not paying €187 just to get Synth-X. Oh well maybe a deal will pop up sometime.

Okay, gotcha. I missed that somehow, just jumping in and all.

Hope you work it out.

[Hyperbole]

Syntronik just is a "flat-sounding VST instrument." Actually, it's worse.

Ok then, they should use that in their advertisements.

IK probably wouldn't sell too many copies of Syntronik if they advertised it as, "Syntronik, a flat-sounding VST instrument. Actually, it's worse than that."

Of course, you are never going to be able to create an authentic-sounding filter sweep, for instance, on a static sampled synth patch by opening a generic digital filter via a knob on your controller keyboard. But it's at least possible to create very expressive patches that respond to velocity in a convincing way (by sampling at least four velocity levels and using round robin samples so each note is slightly different).

[mumpcake]

If I remember right, the Syntronik filters are modeled after the hardware and are not just generic digital filters.

[whyterabbyt]

If I remember right, the Syntronik filters are modeled after the hardware and are not just generic digital filters.

more or less. they're definitely modelled after various hardware filters, eg CEM3320, SEM, Moog, but i dont think they modelled every specific synth's actual filters.