Can someone give me an example of a synthesis algorithm that does not produce instruments out of 'prepared frequency blocks' (aka 'waveforms')Gamma-UT wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:14 pmFBS is not a simple layering, it produces one instrument out of prepared frequency blocks
Frequency Block Synthesis
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The only one that springs to mind is the 808's clap circuit: four spikes of white noise in quick succession (though the spikes are bandpasssed, so you could argue these are "prepared frequency blocks").whyterabbyt wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:22 pm Can someone give me an example of a synthesis algorithm that does not produce instruments out of 'prepared frequency blocks' (aka 'waveforms')
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Gamma-UT wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:30 pm (though the spikes are bandpasssed, so you could argue these are "prepared frequency blocks").
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"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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THE QUESTION IS STILL OPENED FOR YOU ALL GUYS:
WHICH SYNTHESIS IS THE SAME AS FBS, THAT USES PREPARED, NON-OVERLAPPING, SET OF FREQUENCY BLOCKS (MADE OF SAMPLES) THAT ACT LIKE SOUND-LEGO PIECES TO BUILD ANY TYPE OF INSTRUMENTS OUT OF? still waiting................
WHICH SYNTHESIS IS THE SAME AS FBS, THAT USES PREPARED, NON-OVERLAPPING, SET OF FREQUENCY BLOCKS (MADE OF SAMPLES) THAT ACT LIKE SOUND-LEGO PIECES TO BUILD ANY TYPE OF INSTRUMENTS OUT OF? still waiting................
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Oh yes, like grass is not green. Take it as an axiom!The answer to that already exists; FBS is not a synthesis method.
Here is the definition of SYNTHESIS METHOD:
"A synthesis method is a specific technique or algorithm used to generate sound, typically by combining or manipulating basic sound elements such as waveforms, frequencies, noise, or samples.
It defines how sound is created, shaped, and controlled electronically or digitally." So FBS is a synthesis method and wait..., grass is green.
Moreover: FBS defines how sound is created, shaped and controlled in a unique way, because IT USES PREPARED, NON-OVERLAPPING, SET OF FREQUENCY BLOCKS (MADE OF SAMPLES) THAT ACT LIKE SOUND-LEGO PIECES TO BUILD ANY TYPE OF INSTRUMENTS OUT OF.
still waiting for a similar synthesis method from you all, masters!
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Please ask also gemini ai, chatgpt or any other ai to explain you, why "Frequency Block Synthesis by Den" is a unique synthesis, that is so different from others that it could have been patented! Please ask it the way you prefer, because you all here move in the same circle round and round. It is pointless. Get info about it from other sources (not each other please, you won't help out each other in this theme for sure...)
waiting....still waiting....for a similar synthesis method as FBS....
waiting....still waiting....for a similar synthesis method as FBS....
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Instead of asking generative AI systems, that are known to hallucinate (= giving completely bogus and unfounded answers), you should listen to actual people who know what they are talking about... like several in this discussion that reacted to you.Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:25 pm Please ask also gemini ai, chatgpt or any other ai ....
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I'm countinously pointing to an awaited reply from you, which synthesis method is the same as FBS...
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If someone else comes along with their own 'modular frequency-domain instrument-building kit, where they say 'the sample content is organized by spectral logic, not by traditional patch layering' would that be your 'new method', or theirs?Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 5:56 pm THE QUESTION IS STILL OPENED FOR YOU ALL GUYS:
WHICH SYNTHESIS IS THE SAME AS FBS, THAT USES PREPARED, NON-OVERLAPPING, SET OF FREQUENCY BLOCKS (MADE OF SAMPLES) THAT ACT LIKE SOUND-LEGO PIECES TO BUILD ANY TYPE OF INSTRUMENTS OUT OF? still waiting................
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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I've already told you.Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:51 pm I'm countinously pointing to an awaited reply from you, which synthesis method is the same as FBS...
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No, like Super Magic FBS Grass is not a new kind of plant.Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:15 pmOh yes, like grass is not green.The answer to that already exists; FBS is not a synthesis method.
You mean like that axiom that says that calling the existing wheel a 'magic FBS wheel' is not reinventing it?Take it as an axiom!
That's not 'the' definition of 'SYNTHESIS METHOD.'Here is the definition of SYNTHESIS METHOD:
"A synthesis method is a specific technique or algorithm used to generate sound, typically by combining or manipulating basic sound elements such as waveforms, frequencies, noise, or samples.
It defines how sound is created, shaped, and controlled electronically or digitally."
At best its 'a' definition' of 'AUDIO SYNTHESIS METHOD'
Any proper existing definition that didnt come from a chatbot would have defined the scope properly.
What, because you say so?So FBS is a synthesis method
well, except when its not of course.and wait..., grass is green.
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If someone else comes along with their own 'modular frequency-domain instrument-building kit, where they say 'the sample content is organized by spectral logic, not by traditional patch layering' would that be your 'new method', or theirs?Moreover: FBS defines how sound is created, shaped and controlled in a unique way, because IT USES PREPARED, NON-OVERLAPPING, SET OF FREQUENCY BLOCKS (MADE OF SAMPLES) THAT ACT LIKE SOUND-LEGO PIECES TO BUILD ANY TYPE OF INSTRUMENTS OUT OF.
Its not a method, its something made of samples.still waiting for a similar synthesis method from you all, masters!
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"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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FBS isnt a synthesis method.Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:51 pm I'm countinously pointing to an awaited reply from you, which synthesis method is the same as FBS...
If someone else comes along with their own 'modular frequency-domain instrument-building kit, where they say 'the sample content is organized by spectral logic, not by traditional patch layering' would that be your 'new method', or theirs?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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I think by now we're all getting what 'F BS' stands for here.
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"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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I did. ChatGPT makes it very clear that FBS is not a patentable method.Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:25 pm Please ask also gemini ai, chatgpt or any other ai to explain you, why "Frequency Block Synthesis by Den" is a unique synthesis, that is so different from others that it could have been patented!
Den's Frequency Block Synthesis has been implemented using an existing sample playback synthesiser that Den did not create. The only thing Den has provided that is new is the sample data. If the engine already exists, and operates exactly as intended, how can Frequency Block Synthesis be patented?
ChatGPT said:
Thanks — this clarification sharpens the situation significantly. You're now describing a case where:
The synthesizer engine is pre-existing.
The engine operates as intended, with no modification.
The only contribution by Den is the sample data (presumably prepared in some frequency-blocked way).
There is no new algorithm, no new synthesis method, and no new system behavior.
The Core Answer:
If Den’s only contribution is sample data, and no new method, algorithm, or synthesis process is invented or described — then Frequency Block Synthesis by Den is not patentable as a synthesis method.
case closed, story ended, mic dropped.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."