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Software vs. Analog in 2025 – Has the Balance Shifted?
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- KVRAF
- 20813 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
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- KVRAF
- 2575 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from gone
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- KVRAF
- 11325 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
The truthiest thing I’ve read all day.
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- KVRAF
- 11325 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Because you haven’t had Dick’s.
Terrible name, but great fast food.
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- KVRAF
- 2575 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from gone
How dare you ???
Sadly for me, only in the US.Terrible name, but great fast food.
I’ll order tomorrow but I’m afraid it will arrive in France slightly altered. Thanks for the information though, always curious to hear about what’s going on oversea.
Aren’t we kind of away from the subject here ? What was it exactly ?
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- KVRian
- 973 posts since 24 Oct, 2006
Could you tell us where this is? California? Is it a chain or one shot?
“Madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push.”
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- KVRAF
- 11325 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
Chain restaurant in Pacific Northwest. https://www.ddir.com/dlandis wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:42 amCould you tell us where this is? California? Is it a chain or one shot?
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- KVRAF
- 12213 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
Moog to soft synths…
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- KVRian
- 973 posts since 24 Oct, 2006
Thanks!elxsound wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:43 amChain restaurant in Pacific Northwest. https://www.ddir.com/dlandis wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:42 amCould you tell us where this is? California? Is it a chain or one shot?
“Madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push.”
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- KVRAF
- 2575 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from gone
Hardware people be like : 
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- KVRAF
- 11325 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
DJErmac wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:35 amHow dare you ???
Sadly for me, only in the US.Terrible name, but great fast food.
I’ll order tomorrow but I’m afraid it will arrive in France slightly altered. Thanks for the information though, always curious to hear about what’s going on oversea.
Aren’t we kind of away from the subject here ? What was it exactly ?
Yeah, sorry haven’t been able to jump in until the burgers popped up!
I’m a hybrid user. I even like my hardware digital synths and modules (eurorack).
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- KVRAF
- 1746 posts since 3 Nov, 2023
Correct, and they both do.SoftSynthLover99 wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:58 am LegendHZ sounds like software trying to achieve that sound, and the Minimoog sounds like the Minimoog.
How original
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- KVRAF
- 1746 posts since 3 Nov, 2023
No such thing
How original
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vitocorleone123 vitocorleone123 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=333504
- KVRAF
- 2499 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW
Bill Gates will still sometimes roll up to that one from time to time to order food.elxsound wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:43 amChain restaurant in Pacific Northwest. https://www.ddir.com/dlandis wrote: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:42 amCould you tell us where this is? California? Is it a chain or one shot?
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- KVRian
- 906 posts since 27 Apr, 2018
This discussion is pointless as always. First wrong is this HW vs. SW thing, when it is about sound. Therefore analog vs. digital would be the right opposition. Regarding balance has shifted:
Yes it has shifted, starting with Fairlight CMS and Synclavier, ongoing with DX7, D50 and all the samplers occuring in the 80ies and the shift to digital finished, when studios started to change their recording and mixing process to digital e/o the 90ies. So nobody with a clear mind would state, that digitial technology hasn't taken over music creation, playing and producing all over the place. Analog synths are just a niche, when you consider all genres in the music industry.
The other topic is HW vs. SW, but that hasn't neccessarily anything to do with sound. Most HW is digital anyway and there is no difference, if algorithms run on an integrated chip or in a computer. The difference there is more related to workflow.
People tend to generalize things, although they are very specific. E.g. that you have more immediate access on a HW than on a SW synth. This might be true, if you compare a Minimoog with a SW synth. But it isn't true, if you compare a DX7 or a Virus to a SW synth counterpart. I can much faster model things in Serum, than with a Virus or a Waldorf or even a Hydrasynth, which has one of the best complex HW synth workflows.
I think there a many different use-cases and it is totally understandable, that each person has different preferences. I can hardly imagine a virtuoso keys player in a jazz or funk combo messing around with SW synths and getting latencies much easier or probable than with HW.
Also I can hardly imagine EDM or DJ producers patching, gain-staging, program changing and recording 30 year old HW in a DAW, when a more or less similar result can easily be achieved with SW and doing it all in the box.
Back to the sound: it is also from the analog advocates forgotten, that digital can emulate analog to 95-99% and most people don't recognize the difference. The other way around analog gear can not even reach 5%, of what you can do with all the samplers, wavetable, FM(PM), additive, spectral and granular engines. So when it is claimed that digital sounds worse than analog or can not do what analog can, than it shouldn't be forgotten, that analog not sounds just worse, but isn't even able to do what digital can. So how fair is a comparison, where the one technology can emulate the other to 99%, but not the other way around?
At the end such a question is raised once a year and almost in a category of planned rage bait, because the status won't change anymore. HW is still around for live gigs, immediate access and people who want toys, which can be touched. Analog is still nice sounding, but not needed anymore when just the result after production is considered.
Digital technology mostly or often realized in SW has long ago taken the dominance in the music creation and production environment.
Yes it has shifted, starting with Fairlight CMS and Synclavier, ongoing with DX7, D50 and all the samplers occuring in the 80ies and the shift to digital finished, when studios started to change their recording and mixing process to digital e/o the 90ies. So nobody with a clear mind would state, that digitial technology hasn't taken over music creation, playing and producing all over the place. Analog synths are just a niche, when you consider all genres in the music industry.
The other topic is HW vs. SW, but that hasn't neccessarily anything to do with sound. Most HW is digital anyway and there is no difference, if algorithms run on an integrated chip or in a computer. The difference there is more related to workflow.
People tend to generalize things, although they are very specific. E.g. that you have more immediate access on a HW than on a SW synth. This might be true, if you compare a Minimoog with a SW synth. But it isn't true, if you compare a DX7 or a Virus to a SW synth counterpart. I can much faster model things in Serum, than with a Virus or a Waldorf or even a Hydrasynth, which has one of the best complex HW synth workflows.
I think there a many different use-cases and it is totally understandable, that each person has different preferences. I can hardly imagine a virtuoso keys player in a jazz or funk combo messing around with SW synths and getting latencies much easier or probable than with HW.
Also I can hardly imagine EDM or DJ producers patching, gain-staging, program changing and recording 30 year old HW in a DAW, when a more or less similar result can easily be achieved with SW and doing it all in the box.
Back to the sound: it is also from the analog advocates forgotten, that digital can emulate analog to 95-99% and most people don't recognize the difference. The other way around analog gear can not even reach 5%, of what you can do with all the samplers, wavetable, FM(PM), additive, spectral and granular engines. So when it is claimed that digital sounds worse than analog or can not do what analog can, than it shouldn't be forgotten, that analog not sounds just worse, but isn't even able to do what digital can. So how fair is a comparison, where the one technology can emulate the other to 99%, but not the other way around?
At the end such a question is raised once a year and almost in a category of planned rage bait, because the status won't change anymore. HW is still around for live gigs, immediate access and people who want toys, which can be touched. Analog is still nice sounding, but not needed anymore when just the result after production is considered.
Digital technology mostly or often realized in SW has long ago taken the dominance in the music creation and production environment.