PG-8X (2.0) released

[onerob]

Run Logic in Rosetta mode - PG8X will validate. Close Logic and open in native mode. Done.

I copied the vst file into folder /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST and did the steps you described. But nothing happend. I also checked the Plug-In Manager but couldn't see PG8X.
Also the standalone app doesn't give any output.

Logic doesn't run VSTs. It needs to be the AU version.

[Hyperbole]

“Astonished” is too strong a word. More like I’m “quite surprised” there is this much interest in a JX-8P emulation, especially when there are so many people who dismiss the JX-8P/JX-10/MKS-70 as sounding “wooly,” of having slow envelopes, and for lacking PWM. As someone who owned an MKS-70 for many years, these criticisms either miss the mark or are totally overblown, IMO. The lack of PWM is really the primary limitation of the JX-8P series of synths. That, and the convoluted patch/tone architecture on the JX-10/MKS-70.

Regardless, all this interest in the PG-8X bodes well for TAL Software’s upcoming MKS-70 emulation (if rumors are true). That’s probably what people should be waiting for rather than putting their “hopes and dreams” into a resurrection of the PG-8X, which seems increasingly unlikely.

As an aside, Roland once again dropped the ball. They could have owned this market if their JX-8P emulation actually sounded good.

[Echoes in the Attic]

“Astonished” is too strong a word. More like I’m “quite surprised” there is this much interest in a JX-8P emulation, especially when there are so many people who dismiss the JX-8P/JX-10/MKS-70 as sounding “wooly,” of having slow envelopes, and for lacking PWM. As someone who owned an MKS-70 for many years, these criticisms either miss the mark or are totally overblown, IMO. The lack of PWM is really the primary limitation of the JX-8P series of synths. That, and the convoluted patch/tone architecture on the JX-10/MKS-70.

Regardless, all this interest in the PG-8X bodes well for TAL Software’s upcoming MKS-70 emulation (if rumors are true). That’s probably what people should be waiting for rather than putting their “hopes and dreams” into a resurrection of the PG-8X, which seems increasingly unlikely.

As an aside, Roland once again dropped the ball. They could have owned this market if their JX-8P emulation actually sounded good.

Tal said they were modeling the JX-8P, not Mks-70. Given that you can stack as many vsts as you want, I asusme they would just do the single layer.

[Hyperbole]

Tal said they were modeling the JX-8P, not Mks-70. Given that you can stack as many vsts as you want, I asusme they would just do the single layer.

That's a bummer. The ability to layer tones is what takes the JX-10 and MKS-70 to the next level. The sound is so much bigger than the JX-8P. Stacking multiple instances is far less convenient because you can't easily save layered sounds. But I suppose that keeps things simple, especially when importing patches from the hardware synth.

[jamcat]

“Astonished” is too strong a word. More like I’m “quite surprised” there is this much interest in a JX-8P emulation, especially when there are so many people who dismiss the JX-8P/JX-10/MKS-70 as sounding “wooly,” of having slow envelopes, and for lacking PWM.

The JX-8P has a unique sound that no other synth does. That wooliness is what makes it the greatest synth for strings and pads of all time. That and the particular chorus which no other synth does quite the same. This is why it is the King of Strings. And also probably why there is so much interest in it.

rather than putting their “hopes and dreams” into a resurrection of the PG-8X, which seems increasingly unlikely.

That has been apparent for about 5 years now.

As an aside, Roland once again dropped the ball. They could have owned this market if their JX-8P emulation actually sounded good.

Roland doesn't have a JX-8P emulation. At least not a fully modeled plugin version. Some ZENology presets don't cut it.

[mholloway]

Stacking multiple instances is far less convenient because you can't easily save layered sounds.

Not necessarily true at all, depending on your DAW. Ableton's instrument Racks make stacking multiple instances very easy to implement (including with keymap & velocity ranges) and saving the stacked instrument as a single Rack preset is literally one click on a disk icon & giving it a name -- easy as can be.

[Hyperbole]

Stacking multiple instances is far less convenient because you can't easily save layered sounds.

Not necessarily true at all, depending on your DAW. Ableton's instrument Racks make stacking multiple instances very easy to implement (including with keymap & velocity ranges) and saving the stacked instrument as a single Rack preset is literally one click on a disk icon & giving it a name -- easy as can be.

Yeah, but then you would have to use Live. I'd rather be poked in the eye with a burning stick.

Besides, this assumes everyone will create their own layered sounds (in one of the few DAWs like Live that make it easier to do so). But then TAL and third-party patch developers can't create layered presets to include with the plugin or make available for sale. Everyone is on their own.

Bottom line: If the synth benefits from layering, these features should be built into the synth itself.

[Piano Player]

Logic doesn't run VSTs. It needs to be the AU version.

...but this is not existing or?

[onerob]

Logic doesn't run VSTs. It needs to be the AU version.

...but this is not existing or?

Sorry, it's been so long since I checked. There was a 'discontinued' version of the AU a few years ago but it had problems. The way to run the VST in Logic is through a wrapper plugin, such as Element.

https://kushview.net/element/

In Element, create a new 'graph' and drag the PG-8X vst file onto the empty area. Then attach MIDI and audio connectors to hear sound.

[N 4 LIFE]

Run Logic in Rosetta mode - PG8X will validate. Close Logic and open in native mode. Done.

I copied the vst file into folder /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST and did the steps you described. But nothing happend. I also checked the Plug-In Manager but couldn't see PG8X.
Also the standalone app doesn't give any output.

yeah i've had the same problems, never could get it working on my studio mac. bummer!

[mrz80]

Stacking multiple instances is far less convenient because you can't easily save layered sounds.

Not necessarily true at all, depending on your DAW. Ableton's instrument Racks make stacking multiple instances very easy to implement (including with keymap & velocity ranges) and saving the stacked instrument as a single Rack preset is literally one click on a disk icon & giving it a name -- easy as can be.

Well, if you squint right (and jack the treble on a downstream EQ ) there *is* the JX-08.

[N 4 LIFE]

I finally got Martin's JX working inside FL studio. Sounds amazing but had to buy FL studio.

[sebabesabe]

Why is there still no commercial release? Mac ARM support has been missing ever since Apple introduced their ARM-based chips. This plugin could easily sell for 20–50€, if not more. I just don’t understand—why not maintain and release it properly? People clearly want it. Are you afraid of making money? I demand an answer.

[jamcat]

The short answer is he is unable. There’s no shortage of false starts and empty promises to update or open source it over the years. Just let it die. The only person who has the power to save it can’t and won’t. He tried again a couple years ago and gave up, and also reneged on releasing the code for others to take it up. Just wait for the TAL JX-8P. It’s coming.

[thedddkkk]

On my 4k screen it gets soo small the GUI, isnt there any update for a resizable GUI. and i dont really want the TAL version, my opninion the jupiter 8 or uno sound the same. the same is with cherry and arturia. i prefer getting different devices from different companies. i love arturia's CMI as there isnt really anything else. but all the others with the effect section, no thanks.