Any Suggestions for Vst equivelants of Yamaha Tx81z, Yam FSR1 and Yam ANX-1

[surreal]

Isn‘t the closest, at least in theory, the Montage M plugin?

You need the hardware Montage M to get this plugin so it is not available for everyone, not even to purchase seperately

[IvyBirds]

Isn‘t the closest, at least in theory, the Montage M plugin?

No, the Montage M plugin doesn't have the extra waveforms needed to make the TX81Z. It does have the same 8op FM as FS1R and the same oscillators with the same spectral tools

HALion7's version of FM-X which Yamaha engineers ported over from Montage does however has the TX81Z waveforms (and SY99) and the FS1R Oscillators and the 8 op FM. You can turn off 4 operators to recreate the 4 op FM of TX81Z. It also has some formant things but they are different than FS1R, there currently is nothing on the market that can reproduce that in the same way. The downside of using HALion for TX81Z is that it's to clean

If you just want TX81Z your best bet currently would be Plogue OPS7. It is a DX7 emulator but has the TX81Z waveforms (and the OPL3 waveforms from Soundblaster) you can turn off 2 of of the 6 operators to make any of the TX81Z algo. OPS7 also does a good job if emulating the OG DX7 DAC, and grittiness which makes it the best choice for TX81Z sounds, it's still not as dirty but much closer

If you are designing new patches in a TX81Z style OPS7 is just the clear winner for what's currently on the market. I find having the two extra operators to be amazing to use to build around the typical 4op of TX81Z

Should also be noted that Plogue is also working on a proper TX81Z plugin that hopefully will be out sooner rather than later

[Korg Supporter]

Isn‘t the closest, at least in theory, the Montage M plugin?

No, the Montage M plugin doesn't have the extra waveforms needed to make the TX81Z. It does have the same 8op FM as FS1R and the same oscillators with the same spectral tools

HALion7's version of FM-X which Yamaha engineers ported over from Montage does however has the TX81Z waveforms (and SY99) and the FS1R Oscillators and the 8 op FM. You can turn off 4 operators to recreate the 4 op FM of TX81Z. It also has some formant things but they are different than FS1R, there currently is nothing on the market that can reproduce that in the same way. The downside of using HALion for TX81Z is that it's to clean

If you just want TX81Z your best bet currently would be Plogue OPS7. It is a DX7 emulator but has the TX81Z waveforms (and the OPL3 waveforms from Soundblaster) you can turn off 2 of of the 6 operators to make any of the TX81Z algo. OPS7 also does a good job if emulating the OG DX7 DAC, and grittiness which makes it the best choice for TX81Z sounds, it's still not as dirty but much closer

If you are designing new patches in a TX81Z style OPS7 is just the clear winner for what's currently on the market. I find having the two extra operators to be amazing to use to build around the typical 4op of TX81Z

Should also be noted that Plogue is also working on a proper TX81Z plugin that hopefully will be out sooner rather than later

Plogue also confirmed working on an Amiga Paula emulation and is researching a chip they claim no other company has tried emulating before.

[Uncle E]

No, the Montage M plugin doesn't have the extra waveforms needed to make the TX81Z. It does have the same 8op FM as FS1R and the same oscillators with the same spectral tools

If it does FS1R, that's a bigger feat than the other asks. One of the most often requested around here, as well. Does it sound the same?

- edit - Sorry, just saw your comment about this in the next paragraph.

[EvilDragon]

there currently is nothing on the market that can reproduce that in the same way

Incorrect. HrastProgrammer's Tranzistow can (if you mean the Formant/Skirt parameters).

[IvyBirds]

there currently is nothing on the market that can reproduce that in the same way

Incorrect. HrastProgrammer's Tranzistow can (if you mean the Formant/Skirt parameters).

Only neither is the same as is on the FS1R, and it's not intended or trying to emulate a FS1R, and doesn't sound the same. I have experimented quite a bit with Tranzitow and have owned an FS1R for a long time

The FS1R has Sine, All1, All2, Odd1, Odd2, Res1, Res2, and Formant waveforms on each operator that you can then modify using the spectral skirt controls Tranzitow doesn't. Dr Manny Fernandez has written quite a bit online what each one of those does, but those along with the skirt and other allow you to create virtually any waveform you can imagine, along with harmonic side bands that you control

I own Montage Hardware and Software, and HALion7.With FM-X in Montage and then ported over to HALion7 those are all there as well with the exception of Formant

Nothing in the plugin market currently does Formant filtering/Synthesis in the way that FS1R did, are their things that can do Formants? Sure but nothing emulates the FS1R way of doing it or reproduces the same timbres

[IvyBirds]

No, the Montage M plugin doesn't have the extra waveforms needed to make the TX81Z. It does have the same 8op FM as FS1R and the same oscillators with the same spectral tools

If it does FS1R, that's a bigger feat than the other asks. One of the most often requested around here, as well. Does it sound the same?

- edit - Sorry, just saw your comment about this in the next paragraph.

It doesn't do Formants but it does everything else and a lot more. If you are into John Chowning Yamaha style FM it's the deepest most powerful FM plugin ever. You get 8 operators you can arrange into any configuration you want with preset or custom algorithms, and you can freely configure feedback loops. You can have up to four clusters of 8 operators in a layer for 32 operator FM, and stack up to 64 of those layers if you wish

I am not sure why Yamaha/Steinberg didn't include the formant stuff from FS1R in HALion7. They did come out with new Formant features with version 7 including Formant resonators and filters which can give similar results. Montage hardware owners were already pretty pissed that it included the TX81Z and SY99 waveforms that are not in Montage and would have gone nuclear if they did so, so maybe that's it

[kraster]

I still have an AN1-X and I'd say that it's among the best VAs ever made.

It just sounds fantastic. It's an absolute PITA to program but it's worth it.

i think there are a few VIs that to do the scene blending thing but the sound of the AN1-X is hard to match.

[Ah_Dziz]

The an1-x is a tricky one to match. It has some interesting digital artifacts that come up with FM and sync in a way that I don't see from other digital synths. I gave my last an1-x to a friend who passed away shortly afterwards. It's one of the few bits of hardware I'd still get if I had room for it.

[Ah_Dziz]

I still have an AN1-X and I'd say that it's among the best VAs ever made.

It just sounds fantastic. It's an absolute PITA to program but it's worth it.

i think there are a few VIs that to do the scene blending thing but the sound of the AN1-X is hard to match.

I don't know about compatibility, but there was a great editor/ librarian for the an1-x that I used. Probably still runs on windows anyway.

[Uncle E]

[Dalle]

Does anyone know a video or other resource where you can hear the FS1R waveforms in isolation? How does the formant stuff work, is it done with bandpass filters? I can only find videos of people playing presets.

[EvilDragon]

No it's not done with bandpass filters, there's something about synced and windowed sines IIRC...

[EvilDragon]

I don't know about compatibility, but there was a great editor/ librarian for the an1-x that I used. Probably still runs on windows anyway.

Yes it does!

[Dalle]

No it's not done with bandpass filters, there's something about synced and windowed sines IIRC...

Ah cool, that’s way more interesting.

EDIT Did some reading, most places are saying it’s bandpass filters which it also sounds like.