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PHOBIE · Post by **PHOBIE** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:04 pm

HI

i hope someone here can help me out understanding a few things with mixing and setup groups ...

how is it possible to route or send a specific group to a previous group ? for example i have a drumgroup on group nr 20 - now i want to send or route the output to group nr 10 !

group20 - > group 10

i know this is possible because i loaded a "backed up group" and it works, but when i want to assign it new, i can´t select a previous grp ...

jdg · Post by **jdg** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:12 pm

nope, don't work like that.. only can route to later group.

cYrus · Post by **cYrus** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:20 pm

cubase blocks this routing possibility because of of feedback loop prevention :\

PHOBIE · Post by **PHOBIE** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:20 pm

well, thats what i thought all the time. But i guess i just did it with a saved channel setting:

try it out:
-save a groupchannel with a send to group nr2
-open that saved channel on group3
=the output of gr3 will be send to gr2 !

jdg · Post by **jdg** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:51 pm

what version?
not in sx3.

woulda been a neet 'trick' tho

PHOBIE · Post by **PHOBIE** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:04 pm

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:09 pm

Doesn't work on my SX2...wish it bloody well did though! It's one of my main gripes with SX...crappy limitations on routing...can't even route an FX channel to a group

You must have a buggy version with bugs that actually make it useful

PHOBIE · Post by **PHOBIE** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:22 pm

yes! i will never update

i don´t understand why steinberg doesn´t allow users to do that. there should be a better way to prevent unwanted! feedback loops

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:31 pm

PHOBIE wrote:yes! i will never update

i don´t understand why steinberg doesn´t allow users to do that. there should be a better way to prevent unwanted! feedback loops

It's because pdc calculations would result in an endless loop and heavily crashing cubase. What they could do is turn of pdc when creating a feedback loop.

Otherwise, switch to a more modular host. There's plenty of them, my favourite (coming from cubase) being Podium.

tibenmik · Post by **tibenmik** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:25 pm

I've just confirmed PHOBIE's routing trick with SX v2.2.0.39 (PC version). Step by step from a blank project:

Import a loop to a stereo audio track
In the mixer, create 3 stereo group tracks and route the output from the stereo audio track to group 3.
Switch to 'Sends' view and activate a send from Group 1 to Group 2; save the group 1 channel settings to a file (i.e. 'temp.vmx')
On group 3, load the group 1 channel settings from the 'temp.vmx' file. You'll see that the send is active on the channel, but the bus name field is blank.
Rename group 2 (i.e. 'return test'). Ding! Group 2's meter's light up with the signal, fed from the stereo track to group 3, then back to group 2.

Note that group 2 still won't appear if you try to select it from group 3's send bus name field, but this workaround lets you get the signal there anyway. If you're worried about feedback loops, on my attempts to route the output of group 2 back to group 3 via output or send resulted in an immediate Cubase poof. Also, the 'vmx' file is non-transferable, i.e. it can only be used once and cannot be opened in any new projects or channel configurations. So every time you do a switch, ya gotta save the source channel settings anew.

Not sure if this quirk will be compatible with SX 3 or future versions (presuming the coders close this loophole).

Cheers to PHOBIE for discovering this trick.

_mt

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:21 pm

Sorry for asking, but what is this useful for? It does not add any functionality and it sets cubase in a buggy state (where you can make it try to calculate pdc for an eternity and hence crash).

tibenmik · Post by **tibenmik** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:44 pm

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tibenmik · Post by **tibenmik** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:45 pm

[double post]

tibenmik · Post by **tibenmik** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:45 pm

stefancrs...

I guess it's up to the Cubasers out there to figure out its usefulness...I never painted myself 'into a corner' with groups as of yet.

I've noticed a lot of discussion in the past around group re-routing, i.e. - "Damn, I've got a drum comp on group 2, and a bass comp on group 6...I wish I could route 6 to 3 and compress/EQ the bunch without adding another group" - that sort of thing. This trick may work as last resort (instead of re-routing from scratch), but I agree that it opens up the potential for driving SX crazy re: PDC.

_mt

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:48 pm

If I was a cubase user and wanted to do such a thing I would definately not use this buggy work-around, I'd save group 6 and 3 and switch places between the two of them and then route the stuff to group 6. Hardly "rerouting from scratch" imo.

Cubase's strength has never been its modularity. It is there, but not really accessable as in Podium, eXT etc. I totally love how for instance Podium handles its channels.

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