Increasing stereo image
- KVRian
- 991 posts since 24 May, 2024
In the golden era of recording, most live takes were doubled, that is performed AGAIN live and overdubbed/punched in. This creates super wideness but doesn't work for synths and drum machines unless you change something before the second take. This is really important and why it's hard to get width if you use synths unless each patch is already super wide. But then again, sometimes the patches are too wide, see?
- KVRAF
- 3822 posts since 20 Apr, 2005
Haas effect and wideners definitely have their place in sound design and can have a great effect on sounds.billinder33 wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:44 pm Rather than mix wideners, imagers, Haas FX, etc, I much prefer working the sides with mid-side processing during the mastering stage. Properly done, this can do wonders for your mix width without the risk of wreaking havoc on the track when it's played back in mono.
m/s on the master is the mix magic though. Doesn't even take much. Raise highs on the side and reduce in the middle, lift mids in the middle reduce on the sides. Be tasteful.
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- KVRist
- 217 posts since 13 Nov, 2010 from Kyiv, Ukraine
1) Make wide instruments on the synthesis stage - synth's UNISON parameter
2) Record double tracks of the same instrument/synth and hard PAN left-right
3) Use fake doublers (I have this in my Pro-R 2 reverb presets, FX category, Wide 01 and Wide 02)
4) Use Lexicon LX480 for fake double effect (I have this in my Relab LX480 v4 presets, Wider 01-04. It is in the ESSENTIAL BUNDLE)
5) use short ambience reverb on your hard panned instruments
6) you can pan instrument hard to the left and ONLY SLAPBACK REVERB hard to the right
2) Record double tracks of the same instrument/synth and hard PAN left-right
3) Use fake doublers (I have this in my Pro-R 2 reverb presets, FX category, Wide 01 and Wide 02)
4) Use Lexicon LX480 for fake double effect (I have this in my Relab LX480 v4 presets, Wider 01-04. It is in the ESSENTIAL BUNDLE)
5) use short ambience reverb on your hard panned instruments
6) you can pan instrument hard to the left and ONLY SLAPBACK REVERB hard to the right
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- KVRAF
- 14313 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
I found this plugin from Melda just called MUtility but what it does is split the audio in 2 parts and each channel can be panned independently. I used it on a track and the sense of space was very real.
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- KVRist
- 217 posts since 13 Nov, 2010 from Kyiv, Ukraine
check in MONO. very often this "haas method" causes troubles in monoosiris wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:07 pm I found this plugin from Melda just called MUtility but what it does is split the audio in 2 parts and each channel can be panned independently. I used it on a track and the sense of space was very real.
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- KVRAF
- 14313 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
Yes. Forgot to mention that. Did mono check (always do). Checking levels is crucial and auto panning will not work if you try to put it after.
One of the issues I have with the plugin is there is a ton of features that i really don't understand, but someone who knows audio well could understand.
One of the issues I have with the plugin is there is a ton of features that i really don't understand, but someone who knows audio well could understand.
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- KVRist
- 217 posts since 13 Nov, 2010 from Kyiv, Ukraine
yup. almost everytime GAIN of the signal will be decreased. And sometimes timbre will be distorted.
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- KVRAF
- 14313 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
This is the thing I like about the plug is there are L/R gain controls. The Izotope is okay. Widener is good, but easy to overdo.
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- KVRist
- 217 posts since 13 Nov, 2010 from Kyiv, Ukraine
Ozone has great widener, yes.
But I found myself using LX480 or d16 Syntorus 2. Better results especially on Lows.
But I found myself using LX480 or d16 Syntorus 2. Better results especially on Lows.
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