REASON FRIGGIN ROCKS!!!

[[ Lex ]]

We should make a poll. What sucks worse, AD80's ears, or Reason's Subtractor.

But I cant stack 20 of AD80 ears together and then detune a couple of them... or ...

[FaX]

Too stop You Girls from Having a Pissing Contest !!!!!!!!I'll put my 2 cents in.

Yes Reason 3 sounds infinately better.
How has the subtractor been improved.
Better bottom end , fuller and richer harmonicly ,way less aliasing in the filters .
Lets just say it sounds NOW how you wished it sounded before.
3.0 is a big step up in Sonic quality even without the MClass devices and you're just going to have to trust some of us on this when I say ......

The Combinator + MClass devices (I've stated devices as to me they're more a dynamics procssing kit than a mastering tool ie:seperate good comps/gates/eq's etc etc) will give ALOT of the VST's people use on this Forum a run for their money and them some. What sort of quality - basically SpectraSonics Stylus like quality as a good example . I found it quite easy to develop patches that creamed anything Crystal churned out. A mate with Reaktor had a fit when he heard a combi patch I had designed.

Basically Reason's remarkably like a Triton or Yamaha Motif with PLG boards added now and a hardware work station would be the best way to compare Reason 3 as a working upgrade.
( In hind site that's a bit unfair I have to say more like a Korg Karma actually with much better sonic depth )

Seriously if you've longed for a flexible workstation on your PC Reason 3 is definately going to be it.

Before I get shouted down as a "fanboy" I'd like to add that I was about to sell 2.5 until I got on the beta list and I pulled out of the sale.

I think alot of people here are going to be very suprised at just what can be achieved in V3 of Reason and the sonic quality of the results also.

Nuff said but seriously GIRLS grow up and start acting like proper LADIES would you.

PS:To much to say about the combinator but it is way more than a humble "grouping device" it is easily to Reason 2.5 what spider audio and cv gates / mergers splitters the B512 / Rev7000 / Scream etc where to 1.0 ..... You litterally have control over EVERY parameter in the most insane ways in realtime ie:sweeping the wavetable of a Sub or Maelstrom whilst having the modwheel control crossfades of all the devices simulatenously/ tempo syncing Maelstroms waveshapers and using them to control Pattern changes in several Redrums or Rex patterns ( very Reaktor like this one sound wise) /virtual vector style effects combining rythmic / synthetic / sampled textures and so on and so forth.

Really I could crap on for ages here but I won't.

[AD80]

We should make a poll. What sucks worse, AD80's ears, or Reason's Subtractor.

But I cant stack 20 of AD80 ears together and then detune a couple of them... or ...

[drez]

We should make a poll. What sucks worse, AD80's ears, or Reason's Subtractor.

But I cant stack 20 of AD80 ears together and then detune a couple of them... or ...

Sure you can...I don't think he'd miss em

[RawTheory]

Thanks for the info on the Combinator. im curious as to the changes brought to the patch browser though. just how steamlined is it?

[dusted william]

I used to have reason 2.0 and gave it up, becuase I thought it didn't sound as good as my vst's

Am I the only person in the world who thinks the export of reason sounds flat and dull??

dw

[glurgle]

I must say I've never bothered with Reason, it just didn't interest me, so I could be asking something really dumb here but...

What exactly does Reason allow you to do that energyXT and a few free VST's can't? I remember when I first saw reason I thought, "wiring connections, neat." But that functionality and style of working has been available in the VST world for a long time now...

[VitaminD]

I used to have reason 2.0 and gave it up, becuase I thought it didn't sound as good as my vst's

Am I the only person in the world who thinks the export of reason sounds flat and dull??

hey dw.. long time no type..

what did you do with your copy of reason...

[BONES]

Lets just say it sounds NOW how you wished it sounded before.
3.0 is a big step up in Sonic quality even without the MClass devices and you're just going to have to trust some of us on this when I say ...

At this point in time I gotta say WTF! and who cares. I don't understand the need for mastering in Reason when you can't finish anything bar electronic instrumental music in it. Kind of narrow appeal, isn't it? Maybe it would make sense after they implemented some kind af audio track and/or audio recording but not with it the way it is, surely? Wouldn't their considerable time have been better spent doing other, more useful things?

[Amberience]

Lets just say it sounds NOW how you wished it sounded before.
3.0 is a big step up in Sonic quality even without the MClass devices and you're just going to have to trust some of us on this when I say ...

At this point in time I gotta say WTF! and who cares. I don't understand the need for mastering in Reason when you can't finish anything bar electronic instrumental music in it. Kind of narrow appeal, isn't it? Maybe it would make sense after they implemented some kind af audio track and/or audio recording but not with it the way it is, surely? Wouldn't their considerable time have been better spent doing other, more useful things?

Don't know what a sampler is huh? So yeah, sure it takes a bit extra work to get vocals into the program, but it can be done. Same with guitar tracks and other recordings.

Reason is a tool. It does not have the capabilities to create electronic music only, that is an illogical statement.

[shamann]

I must say I've never bothered with Reason, it just didn't interest me, so I could be asking something really dumb here but...

What exactly does Reason allow you to do that energyXT and a few free VST's can't? I remember when I first saw reason I thought, "wiring connections, neat." But that functionality and style of working has been available in the VST world for a long time now...

I think the idea is that since it is all proprietary, it'll scale up more efficiently than a collection of third party plugins. Also the wiring connections are then set to parameters otherwise unavailable in a collection of closed plugins.

That's the idea at least. Lots of apps work that way. Most modular synths can work that way. EnergyXT is close, since it allows you to connect MIDI in clever ways and has LFOs everywhere. You'd need an efficient plugin for converting audio to MIDI CC data to get the exact same effect. Plus resource consumption would likely be higher, although options and quality of output are not capped to a closed system. Six of one...

Reason isn't so much special or unique, just another app to offer you a means of making music. Either it works for you or it doesn't.

[FaX]

Lets just say it sounds NOW how you wished it sounded before.
3.0 is a big step up in Sonic quality even without the MClass devices and you're just going to have to trust some of us on this when I say ...

At this point in time I gotta say WTF! and who cares. I don't understand the need for mastering in Reason when you can't finish anything bar electronic instrumental music in it. Kind of narrow appeal, isn't it? Maybe it would make sense after they implemented some kind af audio track and/or audio recording but not with it the way it is, surely? Wouldn't their considerable time have been better spent doing other, more useful things?

And I thought you where old skool Bones .
You know like back in the day when we all used our S1000's for recording vocal chops ,guitar riff's etc and then triggered them via midi to get the desired results.
Crap that was like you know only 10+ odd years ago.
Secondly the MClass suite is a selection of tools it is NOT a proprietry Mastering device. It is a collection of devices.
Namely a stereo spreader ,parameteric eq ,noise gate ,compressr which can be patched to perform mastering duties (yes you get ducking / hard/soft knee and side chain or side chain with gate on the comp.)
Essentially it's a set of pro-end eq and compression tools that replace the truly crappy comp's and eq's Reason had before.
Essentially they are to Reason's old eq/comp what the REV7000 is to the old 1.0 reverb unit.
Secondly I use it as a rewire slave!!!!
So I sequence with my HOST and my HOST has Audio recording so your WTF is WhatTheFucked right back you I'm afraid.
And with the sound quality of Reason 3 I'm gonna be able to piss off 2/3rds of my VSTi's and get way better results in the process with much lower CPU overhead in the process.
I don't go WTF'ing your love of Orion so shut the f**k up or stick your fist in your cakehole so you can't type ...........

[tomg]

I read this somewhere and did some digging. Todd thinks Tablet PCs & Reason are good enough to tour with. Your milage may vary. The first link has a great pic of Reason on a tablet pc. Dunno if that's a leagle SOS link though

"The Tablet PCs that we are taking essentially replace all the backline equipment," he said. "We run two pieces of emulation software to recreate the sound of amplifiers. There are no amps, racks or floor monitors anywhere on stage."

http://trconnection.com/pictures/articles/TR-SOS6.jpg

http://www.livedaily.com/news/6357.html

http://trconnection.com/todd/review/t20 ... 526-cw.rev

http://www.fohonline.com/issue/?di=0410 ... rofile.txt

Peace
Tom

[tomg]

I read this somewhere and did some digging. Todd thinks Tablet PCs & Reason are good enough to tour with. Your milage may vary. The first link has a great pic of Reason on a tablet pc. Dunno if that's a leagle SOS link though

"The Tablet PCs that we are taking essentially replace all the backline equipment," he said. "We run two pieces of emulation software to recreate the sound of amplifiers. There are no amps, racks or floor monitors anywhere on stage."

http://trconnection.com/pictures/articles/TR-SOS6.jpg

http://www.livedaily.com/news/6357.html

http://trconnection.com/todd/review/t20 ... 526-cw.rev

http://www.fohonline.com/issue/?di=0410 ... rofile.txt

Peace
Tom

Ment to say there are 7 pages on that first link just sub 1-7 for the page #.

Peace
Tom

[lucille]

I think the Reason advocates here sometimes don't do a very good job of explaining the appeal of the software. All this hype about scores of modules linked to dozens of fx driven by multiple pattern devices is--IMO-- a lot of crap. The synths are mediocre (subtractor) or eccenetric (malstrom). But the sample modules are great: NNxt Sampler, Redrum drum sampler, and the Dr. Rex rex player. Rex is a limited format in some ways, but all the sampler devices accept slice data and you can flexibly revoice loops very easily. The automation is easily the most intutive availible.

The mystery to me is why--with no of sound module
development--props have not fully revised the
fx suite. The phaser and chorus are lame, and the
delay is very limited. Not addressing the tempo issue
is inexcusable.