i know all wavs are cut with 4410k 16 bits but some wav cd sound better than the other. Like Ilio sounds better than zero G
what is the main purpose of 41-16 samples anyway? Are they mainly for remixes because of low wav quality?
Does any one use wav sample for production? Does it makes your track low quality when compare with midi or sound module?
no matter how much i EQ a wav-format drum, it still sound dull and doesn't produce that sharp nail-pounding sound
which samples manufature has good quality?
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- KVRist
- 42 posts since 28 Nov, 2004
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- KVRian
- 954 posts since 15 Dec, 2000 from NY,NY,USA
Not true,more recent sampling CD's are 24/44 or 24/48 or 24/88.2 and even 96hz.soundaddik wrote:i know all wavs are cut with 4410k 16 bits
That's all subjective and a matter of taste.I'm not a huge fan of Zero G's offerings myself in general,but they do have a couple of things I really like.Someone else might completely disagree depending on what they like.but some wav cd sound better than the other. Like Ilio sounds better than zero G
Not sure what your getting at,because some samples sound great at 16/44.what is the main purpose of 41-16 samples anyway? Are they mainly for remixes because of low wav quality?
Of course.Does any one use wav sample for production?
NoDoes it makes your track low quality when compare with midi or sound module?
Well,the problem has nothing to do with formats or even 16/44 resolution,but rather the type of thing your looking for.If you could explain that better,maybe someone could point you in the right direction.no matter how much i EQ a wav-format drum, it still sound dull and doesn't produce that sharp nail-pounding sound
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- KVRist
- 415 posts since 23 Oct, 2004
Bit depth (dynamic range) and sample rate (frequency response) are only part of the quality equation. Garbage in, garbage out, you know.
A good source recorded at 44.1kHz, 16 bit, will sound pretty good. No important audio information is really lost at this format (although people doing animal research with audio will disagree, since, e.g., bats are up in the 40kHz range, but assuming you are human, you aren't hearing anything past the 22050Hz range that's theoretically present in your 44.1kHz samples. No, you aren't.)
But a poor signal chain will roll off some of the top end before it's even recorded, and all the sample rate in the world won't help that, and also, so many samples are normalized by compression, and live only in maybe the top 4 bits of the 16, so you might as well be talking about 4 bit, not 16 bit samples.
Everything makes a difference, from the room the sample was recorded in, to what kind of mic, preamp, eq, and ADC was used, to what kind of treatment the wave was subjected to in the finished product. Lots of sample sets seem to be made by pitch shifting and stretching a few samples to cover a wider range. That's going to cost fidelity, don't you think?
As to whether anyone is using samples in production work, you do realize the strings, etc. you hear in lots of pop music and many TV scores are coming from samplers, not orchestras, right?
EastWest products are great. They have a piano that's good enough for Peter Gabriel. Heard of Cirque du Soleil? Some of their score is done with an EastWest orchestra set. It had better be good, it's a $3000 product!
A good source recorded at 44.1kHz, 16 bit, will sound pretty good. No important audio information is really lost at this format (although people doing animal research with audio will disagree, since, e.g., bats are up in the 40kHz range, but assuming you are human, you aren't hearing anything past the 22050Hz range that's theoretically present in your 44.1kHz samples. No, you aren't.)
But a poor signal chain will roll off some of the top end before it's even recorded, and all the sample rate in the world won't help that, and also, so many samples are normalized by compression, and live only in maybe the top 4 bits of the 16, so you might as well be talking about 4 bit, not 16 bit samples.
Everything makes a difference, from the room the sample was recorded in, to what kind of mic, preamp, eq, and ADC was used, to what kind of treatment the wave was subjected to in the finished product. Lots of sample sets seem to be made by pitch shifting and stretching a few samples to cover a wider range. That's going to cost fidelity, don't you think?
As to whether anyone is using samples in production work, you do realize the strings, etc. you hear in lots of pop music and many TV scores are coming from samplers, not orchestras, right?
EastWest products are great. They have a piano that's good enough for Peter Gabriel. Heard of Cirque du Soleil? Some of their score is done with an EastWest orchestra set. It had better be good, it's a $3000 product!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 42 posts since 28 Nov, 2004
so the bottom line is for me to look for a better quality sample CD. any good brand out there? I find Ilio outstanding