Ohm Force’s Ohmicide[S] has been released! 😍

[Caine123]

It's not the price, it's the ratio. Nobody expects anyone but U-He to give $25 upgrades. [and he doesn't do them every year, or even 5 years apparently] Most upgrades are 40-65% of the price of new. I'm looking at an application that costs $500 new and the upgrade is $180, I haven't even thought about complaining about it because it's a reasonable discount for owning the previous version. Oh and then there's Altiverb 8, a $500 plugin that had an $80 upgrade price, regular free updates previously etc.

I'm sure there's all kinds of rational about why Ohm force decided to give such a poor discount to existing users, but it just falls flat in terms of what it says to us as customers. We hold no value, period. I'm going off about it because flatly it's one of the worst parts of the plugin industry, upgrades being used to ensure revenue makes sense, but not taking into account that someone already paid your bills once is just wrong. This goes down as literally the shittiest discount I've ever seen any company offer existing users, in an industry with some extremes in terms of company management styles that says a lot.

well said!
we'll see if Ohmforce will be succesful with it and people will still support this bad upgrade move cause they cannot wait/need always the newest stuff. payinga about 80% of the price as upgrade is just ......
let your wallets speak.

[Red_Force]

Did you know? We provided 9 years of update on the first Ohmicide -and 16 on Ohmboyz at zero (0) cost.

[morelia]

It's not the price, it's the ratio. Nobody expects anyone but U-He to give $25 upgrades. [and he doesn't do them every year, or even 5 years apparently] Most upgrades are 40-65% of the price of new. I'm looking at an application that costs $500 new and the upgrade is $180, I haven't even thought about complaining about it because it's a reasonable discount for owning the previous version. Oh and then there's Altiverb 8, a $500 plugin that had an $80 upgrade price, regular free updates previously etc.

I'm sure there's all kinds of rational about why Ohm force decided to give such a poor discount to existing users, but it just falls flat in terms of what it says to us as customers. We hold no value, period. I'm going off about it because flatly it's one of the worst parts of the plugin industry, upgrades being used to ensure revenue makes sense, but not taking into account that someone already paid your bills once is just wrong. This goes down as literally the shittiest discount I've ever seen any company offer existing users, in an industry with some extremes in terms of company management styles that says a lot.

well said!
we'll see if Ohmforce will be succesful with it and people will still support this bad upgrade move cause they cannot wait/need always the newest stuff. payinga about 80% of the price as upgrade is just ......
let your wallets speak.

Totally well said. I don't get a good feeling about a company that has been all but MIA for 10 years and now slowly roll back into production with little more than expectations of top dollar for product upgrades. If it's more of the same absence I not keen at all.

[pekbro]

I can't upgrade anyway, so a crossgrade to the bundle was not a bad deal for me. bought!

[zerocrossing]

Just received that as well. Exciting! One of my favourite distortion plugins.

Weird. I own everything they’ve ever made, including Ohmboyz Infinity and I didn’t get anything from them.

[idoru97214]

It's not the price, it's the ratio. Nobody expects anyone but U-He to give $25 upgrades. [and he doesn't do them every year, or even 5 years apparently] Most upgrades are 40-65% of the price of new. I'm looking at an application that costs $500 new and the upgrade is $180, I haven't even thought about complaining about it because it's a reasonable discount for owning the previous version. Oh and then there's Altiverb 8, a $500 plugin that had an $80 upgrade price, regular free updates previously etc.

I'm sure there's all kinds of rational about why Ohm force decided to give such a poor discount to existing users, but it just falls flat in terms of what it says to us as customers. We hold no value, period. I'm going off about it because flatly it's one of the worst parts of the plugin industry, upgrades being used to ensure revenue makes sense, but not taking into account that someone already paid your bills once is just wrong. This goes down as literally the shittiest discount I've ever seen any company offer existing users, in an industry with some extremes in terms of company management styles that says a lot.

well said!
we'll see if Ohmforce will be succesful with it and people will still support this bad upgrade move cause they cannot wait/need always the newest stuff. payinga about 80% of the price as upgrade is just ......
let your wallets speak.

Totally well said. I don't get a good feeling about a company that has been all but MIA for 10 years and now slowly roll back into production with little more than expectations of top dollar for product upgrades. If it's more of the same absence I not keen at all.

I have a great idea. Why don't you guys go and make some angry music about the evils of capitalism with some CHEAP *#$king plugins and gloat over it. Post the tracks here and we can all bob our heads to how much you have been cheated by OHM FORCE. YEAH!

Very gratified and surprised at how fast RedForce fixed my mistaken NFR license and gave me a genuine cheap ass bastard "no brainer" bundle completion deal.

Bought.

And anyone in the world who thinks cyberdrive is anywhere the quality or close to the ball park of Ohmicide really should just stick to cyberdrive. Holy shit.

I feel like I'm channeling Bones here, but whiny little entitled &*^&%$% get so old in these threads for any plugin that costs more than $29.95 these days. And no - this is not an update. This is a new plugin. IT'S A NEW PLUGIN for a pretty decent top tier plugin price. Which is what it is - top tier.

Glad to have Ohmicide{S}. Happy to support one of my fave companies from back when I was just figuring out what a plugin is. And the sound I am getting out of this is IN NO WAY nostalgia.

[machinesworking]

It's not the price, it's the ratio. Nobody expects anyone but U-He to give $25 upgrades. [and he doesn't do them every year, or even 5 years apparently] Most upgrades are 40-65% of the price of new. I'm looking at an application that costs $500 new and the upgrade is $180, I haven't even thought about complaining about it because it's a reasonable discount for owning the previous version. Oh and then there's Altiverb 8, a $500 plugin that had an $80 upgrade price, regular free updates previously etc.

I'm sure there's all kinds of rational about why Ohm force decided to give such a poor discount to existing users, but it just falls flat in terms of what it says to us as customers. We hold no value, period. I'm going off about it because flatly it's one of the worst parts of the plugin industry, upgrades being used to ensure revenue makes sense, but not taking into account that someone already paid your bills once is just wrong. This goes down as literally the shittiest discount I've ever seen any company offer existing users, in an industry with some extremes in terms of company management styles that says a lot.

well said!
we'll see if Ohmforce will be succesful with it and people will still support this bad upgrade move cause they cannot wait/need always the newest stuff. payinga about 80% of the price as upgrade is just ......
let your wallets speak.

Totally well said. I don't get a good feeling about a company that has been all but MIA for 10 years and now slowly roll back into production with little more than expectations of top dollar for product upgrades. If it's more of the same absence I not keen at all.

Again, nothing about this situation justifies an exorbitant upgrade price, and of course besides a few people like you being supportive of taking a position on this, we get the developer immediately defaulting to platform wars to deflect from the fact that plenty of companies have not used Mac OS as an excuse for gouging people on upgrade pricing, and some rando not paying any attention at all to what is being discussed to have his little fit.

[justin3am]

Even if there is just the ability to switch between 12 different presets, using MIDI notes, that would be welcome to me. It was a critical feature, for the way I used Ohmicide.

Just switching? with no morph?

For my purposes, morphing would be ideal but not required. I can achieve what I want through other means but I had developed a muscle memory with Ohmicide. I did sometimes use the Morph Seq mode as like a complex, key triggered MSEG but since I couldn't control the Morph speed with MIDI or automation, I typically left it at zero and used the normal Morphing or Morphing Trig modes for fast switching.

Tonight I went back to an old project in which I was driving Ohmicide with my Octatrack. The OT generates the sound processed by Ohmicide, and transmits MIDI that controls it. A heck of a lot of fun. It still works for me in Bitwig but it gets a little crashy occasionally.

[mholloway]

This should have been a no-brainer, insta-buy, as the original is one of my favorite plugins ever. But for 95 dollars? It's not. Which is disappointing, for sure.

Even if you leave out the part where I don't actually trust this company to, well, *stick around* -- they can pretend they didn't pull a decade long disappearing act, but they flat out did (and where's that multi-user DAW?) -- it's an unusually outrageous price for an upgrade. It simply feels *wrong*, and coming from a company with a very checkered past.... I think I'll pass. The dev can respond over and over as he's been doing and politely counter the (totally reasonable) frustration of every supporter who paid him good money years back, but it's frankly pretty ridiculous for him to gaslight us like this. Unsupported for years, and now suddenly "pay me 95 dollars to the latest version," and we're the ones acting weird? Nah....

[zerocrossing]

Looks like my upgrade is $59, which is fair, though confusing because I can cross grade for $95... so they know I own Ohmboys Infinity but... they don't know? Strange. I'll demo it tomorrow, but it would be nice to have a modern version.

[dhruan]

"not taking into account that someone already paid your bills once"

"paid him good money years back"

"the shittiest discount I've ever seen any company offer existing users"

"unusually outrageous price for an upgrade"

"an exorbitant upgrade price"

"gaslight us like this"...

Jesus... the amount of entitled, whiny hyperbole here is starting to hurt my eyes, someone open the window, please...

Do you guys have any idea of what software development entails, as a business, or what developing a completely redesigned version of a piece of software means, both work and effort-wise?

It seems that you are... "somewhat" ignorant about the finer (or even the gross) details of such things.

You are naturally entitled to your opinions (however ill-informed and entitled they are), but I'd like to remind you that you are harping about 20-30 eurobucks at max (or something like that), with major hyperbole and butthurt being the main course.

Really, not a good look.

Edit: Typos...

[jules99]

KVR being KVR... If an upgrade isn't at least 30% off for previous owners, if there isn't an endless, unlimited demo, if there isn't no ilok support, if there isn't no subscription, if there isnt.... Nothing surprising here.

It's a bit like when artists/bands announce tours and everyone complains in the comments about how their city/country was omitted.

It does show, though, that the plugin market has changed. People expect lower prices, more customer loyalty discounts, and longer support. So, tougher to navigate for plugin companies, both old and new.

As for Ohmicide S: congrats on the refresh!

[jules99]

nvm

[pekbro]

Like it or not, I think people are not unreasonable to be a bit hesitant about OHM, for whatever reason, their organization has seemingly changed significantly from when support for them was at it's height. A lot of things happened, not all of them positive for their fans. That affects people's opinions in all sorts of ways.

[Caine123]

Did you know? We provided 9 years of update on the first Ohmicide -and 16 on Ohmboyz at zero (0) cost.

and? the upgrade price is still just heavy and bad, your opinion, your company, your plugin, you could also sell it for 200 bucks or whatever. Ohmicide-S seems to be a great Distortion again and enhances some stuff from the sound i love, im glad you are not alone anymore on the market cause i dont rely on your plugin anymore and my old Ohmicide works too, i could wait over 10 years so i can wait another 10 years maybe and hope i will get it cheaper, i dont support your upgrade philosophy and you might not even care too, whatever i find it bad to say "We provided 9 years of update on the first Ohmicide..." selling an upgrade for 80% is for all devs, even if u-He (i praise them a lot that's why i name them her) would do it just unacceptable in my opinion, but seems you got enough paying customers who accept it maybe.
and especially new customers as the OG users get thinner and thinner numberwise i guess (life goes on).

for me, im pretty disappointed and wouldnt have thought your company is like that, good to know cause you see the reality practices on facts and not on wishful thinking, another lesson learned from my side and a company on my "not important anymore" list.

besides, people say inflation here and there, also customers have higher prices to pay for life not only devs/companies.

in the end, im glad you exist and got back and refresh plugins and hopefully continue and release great products. im moving on now and keeping a watch on a sale.