Software vs. Analog in 2025 – Has the Balance Shifted?

[zerocrossing]

Are there any characters with magical powers in the book? If you want my daughter to read it, there has to be some magic. Talking cats are a bonus.

I imagine that she's probably not quite ready to tackle it, the comment was meant for you.

I offered up Techno as an another example of music that doesn't really work when you take it out of a dance club, and we went through a bunch of different dance genres that would work great in a dance club, but not great outside of one.

Sure, but, that's not what you said. That comment with respect to techno sounding like someone left the drum machine running is a common critique from people uneducated in the genre. Whether you like techno or not, it's not a reasonable criticism and it comes across as ignorant.

I offered the book as one of the few academically oriented texts on the music of the genre. Enjoy, or not, the information is there.

I know exactly what you're talking about, I'm just messing with you. I know it because I also make music that's considered minimal, but not in the Techno genre, as I am in agreement that once you take it out of a club, it's dead. Not to you, because you understand the context in an intimate way and can compose for that environment, but the odds of me going to a club and doing the amount of molly I'd need to do to enjoy it are very low. You're just going to have to trust me, in that listening to the track in my car from Apple's Techno Station did indeed sound like someone turned on a drum machine, went over to it from time to time and added something or removed it, and occasionally played a sound that seemed like filter swept white noise. It's the kind of thing I'd hear and think, "I wish they'd let me jam over that using a synced audio looper." I'd add a more structured harmonic composition that would allow it to work outside the context of a dance club.

[stash98]

Are there any characters with magical powers in the book? If you want my daughter to read it, there has to be some magic. Talking cats are a bonus.

I imagine that she's probably not quite ready to tackle it, the comment was meant for you.

I offered up Techno as an another example of music that doesn't really work when you take it out of a dance club, and we went through a bunch of different dance genres that would work great in a dance club, but not great outside of one.

Sure, but, that's not what you said. That comment with respect to techno sounding like someone left the drum machine running is a common critique from people uneducated in the genre. Whether you like techno or not, it's not a reasonable criticism and it comes across as ignorant.

I offered the book as one of the few academically oriented texts on the music of the genre. Enjoy, or not, the information is there.

I know exactly what you're talking about, I'm just messing with you. I know it because I also make music that's considered minimal, but not in the Techno genre, as I am in agreement that once you take it out of a club, it's dead. Not to you, because you understand the context in an intimate way and can compose for that environment, but the odds of me going to a club and doing the amount of molly I'd need to do to enjoy it are very low. You're just going to have to trust me, in that listening to the track in my car from Apple's Techno Station did indeed sound like someone turned on a drum machine, went over to it from time to time and added something or removed it, and occasionally played a sound that seemed like filter swept white noise. It's the kind of thing I'd hear and think, "I wish they'd let me jam over that using a synced audio looper." I'd add a more structured harmonic composition that would allow it to work outside the context of a dance club.

So you’d make it sound lame. Awesome.

[zerocrossing]

Are there any characters with magical powers in the book? If you want my daughter to read it, there has to be some magic. Talking cats are a bonus.

I imagine that she's probably not quite ready to tackle it, the comment was meant for you.

I offered up Techno as an another example of music that doesn't really work when you take it out of a dance club, and we went through a bunch of different dance genres that would work great in a dance club, but not great outside of one.

Sure, but, that's not what you said. That comment with respect to techno sounding like someone left the drum machine running is a common critique from people uneducated in the genre. Whether you like techno or not, it's not a reasonable criticism and it comes across as ignorant.

I offered the book as one of the few academically oriented texts on the music of the genre. Enjoy, or not, the information is there.

I know exactly what you're talking about, I'm just messing with you. I know it because I also make music that's considered minimal, but not in the Techno genre, as I am in agreement that once you take it out of a club, it's dead. Not to you, because you understand the context in an intimate way and can compose for that environment, but the odds of me going to a club and doing the amount of molly I'd need to do to enjoy it are very low. You're just going to have to trust me, in that listening to the track in my car from Apple's Techno Station did indeed sound like someone turned on a drum machine, went over to it from time to time and added something or removed it, and occasionally played a sound that seemed like filter swept white noise. It's the kind of thing I'd hear and think, "I wish they'd let me jam over that using a synced audio looper." I'd add a more structured harmonic composition that would allow it to work outside the context of a dance club.

So you’d make it sound lame. Awesome.

You're lame.

[DCrown]

Would make no sense offering a synth's hardware version 50 times more expensive than its software version, if it wasn't way better.
Anyway music will be created and mixed by ai software only in about 15 years , so neither software synths nor hardware will matter, it will be about who is the better thief

[stoopicus]

Would make no sense offering a synth's hardware version 50 times more expensive than its software version, if it wasn't way better.

I think this is a statement everyone can get behind.

Korg got it with the Modwave, Opsix and Wavestate. Those are only around double the cost of the plugin they are running internally.

[pdxindy]

Anyway music will be created and mixed by ai software only in about 15 years

naaa... there will still be lots of human beings who get together with other human beings and play music.

[HAL76]

Glad I could help. Shortest vid I´ve ever seen

I reckon if you cut out the silence this would be even shorter (and its a full song)

Old german proverb: "If the dog hadn't shit, he would still have gotten the rabbit". But even if you cut out the silence...

[ghettosynth]

Anyway music will be created and mixed by ai software only in about 15 years

naaa... there will still be lots of human beings who get together with other human beings and play music.

We're probably about due for a rejection of hyperproduced arena-pop.



Look, this isn't about my music was better than your music. It's a matter of taking production to extreme measures to polish it into a shiny orb. I do think that this relates to the topic in this thread, abstractly. It's not even completely about playing live instruments, although that is a part of it, it's about the ability to polish and a-priori construct every emotional moment.

And when every moment is built to land just right, it gets too smooth. There's no space for mistakes, or for the voice to crack, or for tension to build on its own. It’s not just that it’s fake, it’s that it’s all planned out ahead of time. Even the chaos is pre-approved. It gets tiring.

I'm ready for punk 2.0, whatever that looks like. That includes more electronic punk as well. We've lost something with the loss of the common cultural moment, even if that moment wasn't your music, per se, it gave you something to connect to, or something to rebel against.

[stoopicus]

I'm ready for punk 2.0, whatever that looks like. That includes more electronic punk as well. We've lost something with the loss of the common cultural moment, even if that moment wasn't your music, per se, it gave you something to connect to, or something to rebel against.

Punk 1.0 is still just fine if you know where to look

Check out labels like Deathwish, bands like Gouge Away.



Drummer teaches drums on youtube, seems like a cool guy

[ghettosynth]

I'm ready for punk 2.0, whatever that looks like. That includes more electronic punk as well. We've lost something with the loss of the common cultural moment, even if that moment wasn't your music, per se, it gave you something to connect to, or something to rebel against.

Punk 1.0 is still just fine if you know where to look

Check out labels like Deathwish, bands like Gouge Away.

No no, that's not what I meant. I don't mean "Oh my god I want to hear some punk music." I know where to find the varieties of punk/post punk/new wave, etc., that I like. What I meant was whatever comes next for youth culture that has some impact on mainstream culture. The evolution through the 90s took on different flavors, some I liked more than others. We seemed to have settled largely into this hyperproduced schmaltz that reminds me of 50s/60s pop only not as competent, not as authentic, and not as accessible. I'm ready for the next thing. I'm ready for Taylor Swift and friends to be yesterday's news. Hopefully whatever comes next will resist being AI-ized.

BTW: I was very ready for grunge to fall out of favor as well. Not to mention dubstep. You win some you lose some.

[stoopicus]

No no, that's not what I meant. I don't mean "Oh my god I want to hear some punk music." I know where to find the varieties of punk/post punk/new wave, etc., that I like. What I meant was whatever comes next for youth culture that has some impact on mainstream culture.

Ahh yeah, ok, got you. Yeah I want that too. Seems like a ripe time for it too.

I had high hopes for Poppy.

[zerocrossing]

Anyway music will be created and mixed by ai software only in about 15 years

naaa... there will still be lots of human beings who get together with other human beings and play music.

There was an interview on the On The Media radio show with a commercial music composer dude, where he basically showed how he's about to be done for. That said, he's the type of dude you go to when you want a Toots & The Maytals track but don't have the budget so he makes a lame sound-a-like version. They play the AI track, and it was hard to tell because the fidelity of the show wasn't great, but it was surprisingly good. My take-a-way was, if you're a lame commercial music composer, your days are numbered. So go nuts. Be yourself. Be weird and just make the coolest thing you can think of and f generative music bs.

[zerocrossing]

I'm ready for Taylor Swift and friends to be yesterday's news.

There will always be a Taylor Swift type, as there has always been. IT IS WRITTEN.

Hopefully whatever comes next will resist being AI-ized.

If there is a happy ending to this nightmare, it's that all the pablum will be taken care of my machines and humans will be forced to actually be creative.

[ghettosynth]

I'm ready for Taylor Swift and friends to be yesterday's news.

There will always be a Taylor Swift type, as there has always been. IT IS WRITTEN.

Hopefully whatever comes next will resist being AI-ized.

If there is a happy ending to this nightmare, it's that all the pablum will be taken care of my machines and humans will be forced to actually be creative.

I'm not negative on AI as a whole. I think that it will eventually take away a lot of tedium, I do think that there's a lot of premature hype, but I use it regularly to avoid tedium. I think that you're right, I'm reminded of an acquaintance who was trying to make it as a "music on hold" producer back in the 90s. He was doing great, for a while, ended up at Sweetwater. Ring tones was short lived.

What I was getting at is that I think that the similarity between the smoothness of AI generated tunes and the hyperproduced tunes won't go unnoticed. I can hope anyway.

[cryophonik]

I'm ready for Taylor Swift and friends to be yesterday's news.

Just remember, without pop culture, there can be no underground culture.