Are AI-Generated Songs Ethical? Let's Talk About It.

[Shabdahbriah]

I only use it at work for a joke, when I’m at home making some music, I compose everything [...]

I chortled-out-loud reading you use it for RAP... which I imagined to be extremely funny. (Yo!) Seen several AI generated "cry in my beer" country/western song lyrics that nearly had me fall outta-my-chair.

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Kind of like how a conductor doesn't play a note, no? Or, how a director doesn't act a single line, right?

Precisely.

[enroe]

Kind of like how a conductor doesn't play a note, no? Or, how a director doesn't act a single line, right?

Hmm, you've come up with an interesting analogy, an interesting
comparison.

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But let's take a closer look: The conductor of an orchestra knows
every passage of the music he's conducting – and he pays attention
to each passage to ensure that the tempo, dynamics, and
expression are correct and correspond to his vision of the song.
He's something like a "performance director" of a song that
everyone knows.

The selector at the jukebox or the operator of an AI usually doesn't
know the song in question. On the contrary: They let the jukebox or
AI surprise them with what they'll hear.

In this respect, he doesn't know a single note, doesn't know the
groove, let alone the style of performance—the microtempo
or the expression of playing.

In this respect, "eassae" is absolutely right: The comparison doesn't
fit at all – it's a "false equivalence fallacy."

Anyone who uses AI to create new songs is completely out of the
creative process. He is then a "selector" of music - just like in front
of the jukebox, in front of the record collection or in front of the CD
collection.

[koalaboy]

Anyone who uses AI to create new songs is completely out of the
creative process. He is then a "selector" of music - just like in front
of the jukebox, in front of the record collection or in front of the CD
collection.

So like a film director/producer, when they ask someone to write music for them, with a brief and perhaps some 'temp' tracks, and then ask for changes as the edit goes on.

They are a 'selector' of music, and maybe a 'selector' of film clips... are they not creative ?

[Bunny_boy]

Anyone who uses AI to create new songs is completely out of the
creative process. He is then a "selector" of music - just like in front
of the jukebox, in front of the record collection or in front of the CD
collection.

So like a film director/producer, when they ask someone to write music for them, with a brief and perhaps some 'temp' tracks, and then ask for changes as the edit goes on.

They are a 'selector' of music, and maybe a 'selector' of film clips... are they not creative ?

It would be if the director got AI to direct the film

[koalaboy]

Anyone who uses AI to create new songs is completely out of the
creative process. He is then a "selector" of music - just like in front
of the jukebox, in front of the record collection or in front of the CD
collection.

So like a film director/producer, when they ask someone to write music for them, with a brief and perhaps some 'temp' tracks, and then ask for changes as the edit goes on.

They are a 'selector' of music, and maybe a 'selector' of film clips... are they not creative ?

It would be if the director got AI to direct the film

But if someone has a creative 'vision', and asks AI (one or more) to create music etc. based upon the things they ask for, in the way they ask for them... how is that any different ?

If you just tell AI to 'generate a random song' and then put that out as 'creative' - sure. But if you prompt it with specifics, refine it through several iterations (with the AI doing as you ask), how is that different from being a director or a producer ?

[Bunny_boy]

Anyone who uses AI to create new songs is completely out of the
creative process. He is then a "selector" of music - just like in front
of the jukebox, in front of the record collection or in front of the CD
collection.

So like a film director/producer, when they ask someone to write music for them, with a brief and perhaps some 'temp' tracks, and then ask for changes as the edit goes on.

They are a 'selector' of music, and maybe a 'selector' of film clips... are they not creative ?

It would be if the director got AI to direct the film

But if someone has a creative 'vision', and asks AI (one or more) to create music etc. based upon the things they ask for, in the way they ask for them... how is that any different ?

If you just tell AI to 'generate a random song' and then put that out as 'creative' - sure. But if you prompt it with specifics, refine it through several iterations (with the AI doing as you ask), how is that different from being a director or a producer ?

I think the end product would be absolutely devoid of humanity. It's one step removed.
There's quite a bit about artists - mainly painters - delegating their work. I think that falls into this category as well. In this case, it becomes a product rather than an artwork. Something like the Chapman Brothers' Hell diorama involved quite a few people, but that felt more like not driving yourself mad making thousands of small figures and setting them up. Whereas Damian Hirst's dot paintings are just there to be sold.

[cmx1305]

human touch in little details can't be a feeling for an IA.

[cmx1305]

it's same with people performing on a computer (or a cdj), not an instruments even we'r hybrids...

[cmx1305]

human touch in little details can't be a feeling for an IA.

a quick exemple :

i wanted to test some IA "humanity"...

insulted for fun ChatGPT & Grok....
chatGPT surrendered like "just here to help",

Grok became angry & taunting like a kid & very arrogant :

he not answered anymore when i told "shut up virgin !!"... then xAI crashed & they updated grok lol....

i want to mean they simulate emotions, but it's FAKE.

[cmx1305]

& you will never see an AI performing on a scene & beloved by fans for the crowd exchange.

[pekbro]

& you will never see an AI performing on a scene & beloved by fans for the crowd exchange.

I wouldn’t count on that for more than the next 30-40 yrs probably. There are robots in Japan with fan bases already. Maybe not singers yet,
but it will happen, just like in the movies.

[wagtunes]

I'm not going to get into the whole AI debate. It just leads to a nasty experience. But I will say this. I use AI when I do my songs. Just not in the way most people do.

See, I write my own lyrics and music. I play all my own instruments. I do my own mixing and mastering.

The only difference?

I stopped singing because my voice sucks. As I am getting older, it's getting worse. So, I use AI generated vocals.

The process is simple. Just sing the song the best you can. Try to at least sing on key. Then, upload your vocal to Audimee. or some similar site, and convert your vocal into one that has a better vocal quality. The download the new vocal and insert it into your song in place of the original vocal.

Here's an example. This is me singing, just with a different shell, for lack of a better term. As a result, my wife says it still sounds like me because of the inflections and style of my singing.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... kidding-me

All comments are welcome.

[Tiles]

& you will never see an AI performing on a scene & beloved by fans for the crowd exchange.

https://abbavoyage.com/

[starflakeprj]

& you will never see an AI performing on a scene & beloved by fans for the crowd exchange.

https://abbavoyage.com/

There is not much AI going on in Abba Voyage though

[harvon]

I'm not going to get into the whole AI debate. It just leads to a nasty experience. But I will say this. I use AI when I do my songs. Just not in the way most people do.

I use a voice changer too, and for the same reasons too. A bad voice however can be used in some situations.