REASON FRIGGIN ROCKS!!!

[headquest]

Thanks for the tip - I don't know VAZ modular at all, so I shall have to take a look.

A few points to follow up though:

1] As I said in my previous post, I do have and enjoy Reason, so I'm not in the market for a replacement... the point of the post was that it was a hypothetical suggestion...

2] The fact remains that Reason (and perhaps VAZ too) is excellent value for money, and that may explain part of its popularity

3] Going down the VST route can be very expensive - you can end up spending literally thousands. I think that brings us full circle back to the point that ttoz made right at the start of the thread....

[AD80]

Ah well...to each their own. I'll continue to use it if even if the next upgrade is in 2007. I'm sure if someone bought an ARP, they wouldn't be griping about the "lack of software updates".

Well thats the difference (and advantage) of software. It can move forward at a much faster rate.

Next update 2007? I doubt it. 2008 maybe.

[shamann]

Thanks for the tip - I don't know VAZ modular at all, so I shall have to take a look.

Don't switch on my account.

Agree with all your points, and like Reason, Vaz isn't for everyone. I have trouble using Reason's interface as it hurts my eyes, and already have a lot of it's capabilities elsewhere. Many people don't like Vaz's interface for various reasons.

I was just making the point that it wouldn't have to be so drastic a cost to replace Reason. But don't replace it if you like it, no sense in that.

Cheers,
Steve

[spaceman]

VAZ is

[FaX]

VAZ + HOST still = more than Reason and after owning a synth like VAZ how much freeware are you going to wanna try when you've got that to compare them too?

VAZ Modular runs standalone as well as a VSTi and VST. Has built in step/pattern/song sequencer, multitimbral, up to 16 channels, with internal mixer.

Not sure I follow that last bit, but I own VAZMod and use freeware plugins all the time. Kjaerhus Classics would cover a lot of the lesser modules in VAZ (reverb is useable but not stunning, dynamics processors are in same boat).

I wasn't refering to VSt effect freebies - I meant after a purchase like Vaz alot of freeware synths would feel like an anti-climax in some respects.

I know since I got Kubik - Crystal and several others get used no where near as much now purely due to the sound quality and sheer synth power of Kubik itself - makes me wonder what alot of other payware is like . I've got Reason ,Live ,Kubik ,Crystal and Plogue Bidule I also love Ugo's stuff (Texture/Motion/StringTheory) but it does wet the tastebuds for payware alot more I must admit.
Which isn't fair cause I'm broke (sad but true).

See it's all Jon from Co-Fx's fault
I KUBIK .

[drez]

Well thats the difference (and advantage) of software. It can move forward at a much faster rate.

But that doesn't mean it has to.

[BONES]

Why don't people understand that Electronic music is a term that refers to a collection of certain musical styles, not to the tools used to create the music?

Are you telling me that words in the English language can only have one meaning? Grow the f**k up and get your head out of the bowl [that's toilet bowl, not dessert bowl or breakfast bowl or superbowl or any other type of bowl].

[BONES]

Agreed.
One other thing about Reason that is really worth mentioning is that it represents tremendous value for money in terms of module/price ratio.

Unless you compare it to ORION or Fruity, either of which has considerably more to offer in both effects and instruments, as well as the ability to record audio and host plugins. You can pull all the comparisons you want to prove your point but you will still be wrong because no matter what else, if there is just one thing that Reason cannot do then you have to have a proper ReWire host to get around it.
I could easily build a far more powerful and flexible system around EnergyXT and freeware/shareware plugins for $100 and get all the free soundfonts and samples I might need. Or I could spend the money I saved on not buying Reason to buy some really good sample sets or impOSCar or something.
In fact, I think I might look into that, just to see what I can do for $100.

[whyterabbyt]

BONES quoth
In fact, I think I might look into that, just to see what I can do for $100.

A third of a pair of shades?

[drez]

Agreed.
One other thing about Reason that is really worth mentioning is that it represents tremendous value for money in terms of module/price ratio.

Unless you compare it to ORION or Fruity, either of which has considerably more to offer in both effects and instruments...

More doesn't equal better. I own both Orion and Fruity, and I don't think they sound better than Reason. That's why I don't use them. IMHO, just like IYHO is the opposite.

, as well as the ability to record audio and host plugins.

Use Tracktion free. And it rewires nicely to Reason. And it Freezes those Fat VST's.

You can pull all the comparisons you want to prove your point but you will still be wrong because no matter what else, if there is just one thing that Reason cannot do then you have to have a proper ReWire host to get around it.

Use Tracktion free. And it rewires nicely to Reason. And it Freezes those Fat VST's.

I could easily build a far more powerful and flexible system around EnergyXT and freeware/shareware plugins for $100 and get all the free soundfonts and samples I might need.

And I can't use free soundfonts and samples in Reason?

Or I could spend the money I saved on not buying Reason to buy some really good sample sets or impOSCar or something.
In fact, I think I might look into that, just to see what I can do for $100.

THere are awesome Free Refills that are available for the NNXT (Reasonfreaks stuff is superb). I'll spend the money on Reason because I can load about 4 times as many tracks and synths that sound (IMHO) better than Orion or Fruity.

For me, doing the same thing as you for 39 dollars (purchasing EnergyXT and using Tracktion Free) and buying reason for the upgrade price is the better deal, hands down.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[BONES]

BONES quoth
In fact, I think I might look into that, just to see what I can do for $100.

A third of a pair of shades?

Almost.

[BONES]

ofcourse they have more to offer. they crash every 10 minutes and eat about 5 times as much cpu as reason.

Come now, I thought you got rid of your Mac? I dunno what you guys do with your PC's but I haven't had ORION crash on me in at least 3 months, possibly as long as 6. And on my 3 month old machine I rarely get above 30% CPU so I don't see that as an issue either.

[BONES]

More doesn't equal better.

Keep this comment in your head for 10 seconds.

I'll spend the money on Reason because I can load about 4 times as many tracks and synths that sound (IMHO) better than Orion or Fruity.

See first quote above. I make very full-on music and I don't come close to maxing out anything. And if you don't like the generators that come with Fruity or ORION, you don't have to use them. And you don't need to learn how to use two hosts. In short, you don't have to try so damned hard to get things done.
TBH, I have no idea what Reason sounds like, it has never held sufficient appeal for me to want to listen to it since it was first released.

For me, doing the same thing as you for 39 dollars (purchasing EnergyXT and using Tracktion Free) and buying reason for the upgrade price is the better deal, hands down.

Sorry, I don't understand? I don't have Traktion.

[drez]

More doesn't equal better.

Keep this comment in your head for 10 seconds.

Are you telling me that it is ALWAYS better to have more of something?

Alcoholics must subscribe to that theory.

See first quote above. I make very full-on music and I don't come close to maxing out anything. And if you don't like the generators that come with Fruity or ORION, you don't have to use them.

Then why would I buy Orion? You are assuming that everything else about Onion or Fruity is what everybody is looking for. I don't use it NOW because I don't like the sequencer at all. On the flip side, If all I DID like were the generators, then I'd be forced to use it as a rewire slave exactly like reason just to use them.

And you don't need to learn how to use two hosts. In short, you don't have to try so damned hard to get things done.

Yes, I would, because I think that those hosts are more difficult to use than tracktion+reason. Reason is an easy concept and so is tracktion. I can work quickly in both and they do what I want.

IMHO, Orion was a whip for me to use and Fruity has a paradigm that I just don't jive with.

TBH, I have no idea what Reason sounds like, it has never held sufficient appeal for me to want to listen to it since it was first released.

How can you talk about what reason can or cannot do if you've never even used it? I thought you had at least TRIED it. Well, sounds more like trolling now that I know that.

For me, doing the same thing as you for 39 dollars (purchasing EnergyXT and using Tracktion Free) and buying reason for the upgrade price is the better deal, hands down.

Sorry, I don't understand? I don't have Traktion.

Can you be more specific on what you don't understand? What does "not having tracktion" have to do with the above statement?