Making music is hard, so why bother? [Instant gratification from AI music generation platforms]

[lobanov]

No. It's easier. It's way easier typing prompts than learning to play an instrument(s) write a song, record it, mix it and master it. The latter can take hours, days, months.
A.I. prompted creations take a few minutes.

Is this music has been done by you? Really? No. It is not you.
You will never be able to make music. You will be able to press buttons of a player. But this doesn't honour anyone.

No, humans make garbage music which A.I. "borrows" to create recycled trash.

Humans make good music from time to time. How about AI... I don't know.
Good music was always rare. That's why it is valuable. If you can "make music" faster than listen to it music becomes the absolute garbage.

But if it is true, why? Why do you need more garbage? Why do you need trash recycled? Why do you need help with production of it? Trash which exists isn't enough for you? Why do you need even more?

Music lost It's value since Napster.

No, it's not true. May be, partly lost. To some extent. Music has no value anymore as you can "produce" it faster than listen to it. Without efforts.

[VOODOO U]

Is this music has been done by you? Really? No. It is not you.

This is besides the point. Whether I wrote the music being generated by A.I. or not, it's still easier to make music using it then doing it the traditional way.

You will be able to press buttons of a player.

This is where the point is.
Is it easier to write a song by pushing buttons or learning to play instruments etc etc etc.?
Music is being created by A.I. prompts whether we appreciate it or not, whether we like it or.not, whether we agree with it or not.

And just for the record, I don't use A.I.
I'm a talented multi-instrumentalist and songwriter/producer where I don't need to lower my standards and degrade my divine music using robots.

Humans make good music from time to time.

Yes I know. I'm a prime example of that.

Good music was always rare. That's why it is valuable. If you can "make music" faster than listen to it music becomes the absolute garbage.

But if it is true, why? Why do you need more garbage? Why do you need trash recycled? Why do you need help with production of it? Trash which exists isn't enough for you? Why do you need even more?

Well for thousands of others out there, A.I. generated music isn't "trash". Just like rock n roll wasn't trash, hip hop wasn't trash, punk wasn't trash, etc etc...many enjoy the music being generated by A.I. and so it's here to stay and take over.
Soon there will be A.I. guitar subscriptions, A.I. saxophone subscriptions, A.I. kazoo subscriptions etc etc.

Music has no value anymore as you can "produce" it faster than listen to it. Without efforts.

Effort doesn't determine quality. People work hard at everyday jobs producing mediocre results.

[lobanov]

Is this music has been done by you? Really? No. It is not you.

This is besides the point. Whether I wrote the music being generated by A.I. or not, it's still easier to make music using it then doing it the traditional way.

No. This is the point. Press buttons on a player and think that you are a creator. No, you didn't create neither AI system you use nor music this system created.

Is it easier to write a song by pushing buttons or learning to play instruments etc etc etc.?
Music is being created by A.I. prompts whether we appreciate it or not, whether we like it or.not, whether we agree with it or not.

No, this isn't a point. Press buttons on a player and think that you are a creator. It is easier not to create but consume what has been created by someone else.

And just for the record, I don't use A.I.
I'm a talented multi-instrumentalist and songwriter/producer where I don't need to lower my standards and degrade my divine music using robots.

This is cool. I understand your self-esteem. It is because you made efforts in the past. You worked hard, it wasn't easy, you became a good musician...
But your skills aren't needed anymore. I can get better results faster without your assistance. So... You wasted your life.

Well for thousands of others out there, A.I. generated music isn't "trash". Just like rock n roll wasn't trash, hip hop wasn't trash, punk wasn't trash, etc etc...many enjoy the music being generated by A.I. and so it's here to stay and take over.
Soon there will be A.I. guitar subscriptions, A.I. saxophone subscriptions, A.I. kazoo subscriptions etc etc.

All become trash if we get more than enough of it. All.

Effort doesn't determine quality. People work hard at everyday jobs producing mediocre results.

No, efforts are important. Efforts create self-esteem for example. And from the economic point of view only labour has cost. Somebody' efforts which are needed to get materials rather than materials themselves.

[VOODOO U]

You wasted your life.

No. *YOU* wasted your own life because you live for others.
I do music for myself. If A.I. takes over the world I could give a f**k. I'm still making rock n roll, living rock n roll and will die with it.
You think i give a f**k that half the world makes prompts with A.I. for their jukebox? That shit has nothing to do with me. Let them do what they like, I'll continue to do what *I* like. Regardless if it gets approval regardless if it pays the bills, regardless if it's a waste of time.......I don't care.
Those who live their lives living other peoples' dreams......those are the ones who have wasted their life and are wasting their life.

[lobanov]

You wasted your life.

No. *YOU* wasted your own life because you live for others.
I do music for myself. If A.I. takes over the world I could give a f**k. I'm still making rock n roll, living rock n roll and will die with it.
You think i give a f**k that half the world makes prompts with A.I. for their jukebox? That shit has nothing to do with me. Let them do what they like, I'll continue to do what *I* like. Regardless if it gets approval regardless if it pays the bills, regardless if it's a waste of time.......I don't care.
Those who live their lives living other peoples' dreams......those are the ones who have wasted their life and are wasting their life.

OK, music is just... masturbation. OK.

Seriously, when you are repeating "REGARDLESS", you are demonstrating that making music for now is really hard. Harder than ever. As obstacles grows. Efforts don't matter? No, they do matter. Because of "REGARDLESS". This is what I wanted to tell you.

[VOODOO U]

OK, music is just... masturbation. OK.

If that's how it works for you, then that's how it works for you. So yes, music can be just "masturbation" and it can also be medication, communication/expression (a possible form of education and self evaluation), a way to invoke motivation (which can breed innovation), and even utilized to form religion.

Seriously, when you are repeating "REGARDLESS", you are demonstrating that making music for now is really hard. Harder than ever. As obstacles grows. Efforts don't matter? No, they do matter. Because of "REGARDLESS". This is what I wanted to tell you.

Well in that regards then *everything* is hard because no matter what pursuit, you'll be met with challenges and obstacles.
*But* for me music isn't "hard" because I love what I do. For you it's hard because you aren't making a living from it. You aren't being utilized or recognized by others. You're not in love with what you do. I don't need "others" when it comes to music. Am I grateful for any input good or bad? Sure. Am I grateful for.collaborations? Absolutely. But I'll continue on easily without those things. It's not hard at all.

[lobanov]

Well in that regards then *everything* is hard because no matter what pursuit, you'll be met with challenges and obstacles.

No. Pressing a button of a player is easy.

But any thing that you do 'regardless' is more or less hard.

*But* for me music isn't "hard" because I love what I do. For you it's hard because you aren't making a living from it. You aren't being utilized or recognized by others. You're not in love with what you do. I don't need "others" when it comes to music. Am I grateful for any input good or bad? Sure. Am I grateful for.collaborations? Absolutely. But I'll continue on easily without those things. It's not hard at all.

No, music is masturbation for you. These are your words: "I do music for myself". No pleasure of your audience, no "child", no development of music and discoveries. Only your pleasure. OK, you may do what you want. Your plesure is important to some extent. Bit it is hardly the goal.

Indeed, you are arguing for the sake of arguing. You have changed your position several times. There is no any reason to continue it. We started from the hardness of making music, you indirectly agreed with me when you said 'regardless'. I meant this exactly, you understood it. It is sufficient.

[VOODOO U]

No.

Yes.

But any thing that you do 'regardless' is more or less hard.

I love eating pizza regardless if it's bad for ny health. It's not hard eating pizza.

No,

Yes.

music is masturbation for you.

Thanks for giving me the title for ny next album. Yes.

These are your words: "I do music for myself"

Yes

.

No pleasure of your audience,

No. Actually wait...........yes.

no "child",

No

no development of music and discoveries.

Yes. I mean, no. Or.....f**k. now I'm confused. Yes? No? Both??

Only your pleasure. OK,

Ok.

Wait....what?

you may do what you want.

Ok. Thank you.

Your plesure is important to some extent. Bit it is hardly the goal.

Pleasure is indeed my goal. It's everybody's goal. I've never heard anyone say, "Hey, if you don't mind I'd like to skip having beer at the bar and rather go have my neighbor run me over with a tractor."

Indeed, you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

No.

You have changed your position several times.

Typical KVR reply. The minute someone states their opinion(s) that differ tthey are "moving goal posts", "changing positions" and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Yes?

Yes.

We started from the hardness of making music, you indirectly agreed with me when you said 'regardless'.

Just because I recognize the challenges and pressure of rock n roll doesn't insinuate that those obstacles make it hard for me to make music.
Yes it's true i don't get paid to rock n roll but it doesn't mean making music is "hard". It's hard for you because you are writing music with the intention to get paid. To get recognition. You aim to please others and not yourself. Automatic fail. But the good news is you can use A.I. and make it easier on yourself. You no longer have to suffer. The A.I. will do all the suffering as it intelligently feels out what's best for your case and creates new music regardless if you give it any song credits.

[lobanov]

No.

1. Pressing a button of a player is easy. Press keys of a keyboard many times (when you play a song) is obviously harder.
Making music yourself from beginning to the end is even harder. Compose, write lyrics, learn, rehearse, play, record...
It is evident. It is just more complex, more difficult and more challenging.

2. It seems you beleive that hard is bad. No, hard isn't necessarily bad and easy isn't necessarily good. For example, because of hardness we grow up. We hardly grow up when we make the same thing again and again. We can (if we form our discipline for example) but opportunities are narrow here. Mostly we grow up when we try something new and challenging.

3. Sometimes people enjoy hardness. It is hard to run a marathon. But this isn't an obstacle for one who run it.
You do enjoy hardness. Because be a musician (compose music, play it, rehearse infinitely, tour many cities, live publicly etc.) isn't easy. But you just aren't aware of it. And you aren't aware of it as you enjoy it.

4. For now making music (really make music which is your own) is relatively harder than it was some time before. We know that hard is hard by comparing it to easy. Yes, something is easy when somebody do it for you and instead. It always was. (That is why press a button of a player is easy. Somebody composed and recorded this tune for you. And somebody produce the player.) But if somebody make something for you you usually must pay for it. Now, in the time of AI you need 10$ only for a subscription to get all you need. Incomparably more and faster. We coudn't imagine such easiness in the past. That's why really making music yourself today is relatively harder. And because some people arong you goes this the easiest way it is harder too.

[lobanov]

I love eating pizza regardless if it's bad for ny health. It's not hard eating pizza.

it is hard for you in your future. Not now.

Pleasure is indeed my goal. It's everybody's goal. I've never heard anyone say, "Hey, if you don't mind I'd like to skip having beer at the bar and rather go have my neighbor run me over with a tractor."

The world exist not for your pleasure. It's you who exist for the world. You just a dirty egoistic bastard. Try to set aside your plasure and think about people around you.

You hardly able to create good music because of it. Your music is just a packing of pizza you ate for your own pleasure.

And you don't make your own music. You make your own plasure.

Why do you lie yourself? You aren't musucian, you just a masturbator.

[lobanov]

Just because I recognize the challenges and pressure of rock n roll doesn't insinuate that those obstacles make it hard for me to make music.
Yes it's true i don't get paid to rock n roll but it doesn't mean making music is "hard". It's hard for you because you are writing music with the intention to get paid. To get recognition. You aim to please others and not yourself. Automatic fail. But the good news is you can use A.I. and make it easier on yourself. You no longer have to suffer. The A.I. will do all the suffering as it intelligently feels out what's best for your case and creates new music regardless if you give it any song credits.

It is not true. I don't make music with the intention to get paid. I didn't get a penny from music in my life. And recognition isn't my goal. I don't suffer at all.

Yes, all challenges are hard, yes! You are agree with me. Only your blind pride prevent you from acknowledgement of this evident fact. It is hard for you. Challenging, yes.

music is masturbation for you.

Thanks for giving me the title for ny next album. Yes.

Good choice. You will be a clown who is mocking himself. This is a cool image and a complex construction full of sense, I like it. Your audience will be thankful to you.

[VOODOO U]

You do enjoy hardness. Because be a musician (compose music, play it, rehearse infinitely, tour many cities, live publicly etc.) isn't easy. But you just aren't aware of it. And you aren't aware of it as you enjoy it.

Driving is hard but once one does it over and over it becomes second nature (easy). Someone new to driving will see it as difficult but the one having experience will not be aware of this difficulty.
This is what it's like with music making for me. I have a lot of experience where it is not hard to write a song and not just a "song", but a "good" song meaning I can listen to it over and over again. If it is difficult for anyone it is because they let standards determined by the status quo of others to interfere with spirit to do its thing. By spirit i mean connection to a portion of mind that can do your bidding if you trust it. Let go. This is why many artists use alcohol and drugs when writing.......to let go.

4. For now making music (really make music which is your own) is relatively harder than it was some time before

Pick up an acoustic guitar, write a song, done. You've just written a song that's your own.

. We know that hard is hard by comparing it to easy.

Ok thanks.

But if somebody make something for you you usually must pay for it. Now, in the time of AI you need 10$ only for a subscription to get all you need. Incomparably more and faster. We coudn't imagine such easiness in the past. That's why really making music yourself today is relatively harder

.Stop saying "It's hard to make music." What you mean to say is it's hard to earn a living making music.

The world exist not for your pleasure.

Yes. It does. You just have to fight for it.

You just a dirty egoistic bastard

Aw shucks. Compliments embarrass me.

Try to set aside your plasure and think about people around you

You can't get pleasure without considering people around you. If I set aside pleasure it is a direct result of being inconsiderate to others.

Your music is just a packing of pizza you ate for your own pleasure.

I like pizza.

And you don't make your own music. You make your own plasure

Which is why my music doesn't suck and yours is stale. Start writing for your own pleasure and others will feed off that energy. Until then keep finding things "hard".

You aren't musucian, you just a masturbator.

Call it whatever you like. It sounds way better than anything anyone else would write attempting to accomodate anyone but themselves.

I don't suffer at all.

Yeah that's why you're bitching and moaning about A.I., cause you "don't suffer."

Your audience will be thankful to you.

They already are.