Does Bitwig seem like a daw that very few people want? Kind of a rant I guess.

[oscillik]

What's the "full screen mouse cursor issue"? I haven't noticed anything

[stoopicus]

My interpretation of that was how you can drag down to zoom out on the arranger but it doesn’t do anything after the mouse leaves the track view bounds. I hate that.

No idea if that isn’t what he meant

[harddaysnight]

I love Bitwig but don't use it, because everything I actually write/record is stuff that Bitwig isn't ideal for - real instruments, actual songs.

Bitwig feels great to like, mess around in. I have released a few songs in it but I was kind of fighting the DAW to get what I wanted done, done.. didn't embrace it's unique workflow or it's modular system, just treated it like any other traditional DAW. Which it's obviously not.

But my workflow, when I'm actually being productive, is really straightforward - Studio One is perfect for me, but OP is bang-on point with this one, Studio One can be picked up for super cheap.

I own pretty much all DAWs you can own and I keep comin' back to S1, I've tried to leave a few times, sold my licence last time.. wound up being able to re-buy it here on KVR - the current 7.2 pro version, for $45. Freaking wild. Extremely cool for me. But totally wild that it's even possible to get something as good as S1 for so cheap.

You can see people selling it right now for like $45 for account takeovers, $75 for licence transfers.. idk why, but S1 licences just aren't that valuable.

Despite it being the best DAW imo.

[stoopicus]

I own pretty much all DAWs you can own and I keep comin' back to S1, I've tried to leave a few times, sold my licence last time.. wound up being able to re-buy it here on KVR - the current 7.2 pro version, for $45. Freaking wild. Extremely cool for me. But totally wild that it's even possible to get something as good as S1 for so cheap.

You can see people selling it right now for like $45 for account takeovers, $75 for licence transfers.. idk why, but S1 licences just aren't that valuable.

I think it's likely because Presonus gives out full S1 Pro licenses the same way Ableton gives out Live Lite licenses. There's a ton of relatively inexpensive Presonus hardware that comes with a maxxed out S1 Pro license.

[harddaysnight]

I own pretty much all DAWs you can own and I keep comin' back to S1, I've tried to leave a few times, sold my licence last time.. wound up being able to re-buy it here on KVR - the current 7.2 pro version, for $45. Freaking wild. Extremely cool for me. But totally wild that it's even possible to get something as good as S1 for so cheap.

You can see people selling it right now for like $45 for account takeovers, $75 for licence transfers.. idk why, but S1 licences just aren't that valuable.

I think it's likely because Presonus gives out full S1 Pro licenses the same way Ableton gives out Live Lite licenses. There's a ton of relatively inexpensive Presonus hardware that comes with a maxxed out S1 Pro license.

If this is true, that's awesome and infinitely better than the bs "lite" or "intro" type garbage that other DAWs do.

But, I was definitely given an "Artist" edition with something I purchased ages ago.
I know they scrapped that line, and I've moved to "Pro".. just saying, they were definitely also doing the bottom-of-the-barrel thing too.

[stoopicus]

It's definitely not everything but here's an example.

https://www.presonus.com/products/quant ... -interface

$262, you get a nice audio interface and a full S1 Pro license.

FaderPort comes with it too, for $209. I suspect they do it for all their production stuff over 200 bones.

[xbitz]

I’ve got nothing against Bitwig, but my patching urge is only medium at best. I’ve noticed I make better progress using stock Ableton Live, with Modulat for modulation. And if I want to build devices, I go with Reaktor. Of course, compared to Bitwig, I’m already four times over the budget — but... every man deserves at least one expensive hobby.

[stoopicus]

Is it just me, or is Bitwig's StepWise kind of lacking? It seems excellent for drums and meh for anything else.

I get that it was released in the "Nice Drums" 5.3 update and so is naturally kind of drum focused, and it's fine for that.

[jancivil]

https://www.presonus.com/products/quant ... -interface

$262, you get a nice audio interface and a full S1 Pro license.

I bought one in February. I used to have the 2626 I think it's called. I don't have a use for 26 in or out but it was all that was available. Either one qualifies as top drawer IME. It truly is a low-latency interface. I noticed later browsing their site I had the S1 license. Don't need, but who knows, it might come in handly some day.

[stoopicus]

Yeah it's cool that they do this at such a low price point.

[jancivil]

I paid $229.99 + tax. so ~250. I'm wrong, I bought it last July.

[v4p0r]

IMO Reaper should change its name, add a few colors and explain what the slice tool does.

[kurt008]

To be honest: I have been a fan of Bitwig Studio for many years now... I own a full license since late 2016 and ... I like many features of it...
But throughout the years I also have found myself making steps forward, reaching several limitations of Bitwig Studio and unfortunately I often (if not always) found the meanwhile not only by myself criticized limitations being a consequence of Bitwigs very unsustainable software maintenance. Their policy obviously prefers to gain new customers all the time, but at the price of disappointing and discouraging existing users non-stop. As a person who develops my musical experience over time I expect a software, which 'develops' similarly, making workarounds more and more unnecessary. But instead more and more workarounds are needed to not be disappointed more and more - and this is even connected with an expectation of gaining more and more money - a calculation, I'm personally not satisfied with and I explicitly dislike. I cannot work in this short-sighted manner myself either, if I don't want to get kicks in my butt and ... in the end loose money. I'm personally about to look for another, more professional maintained DAW like Studio 1 or Waveform Tracktion (because I'm on Linux and will remain on this OS). I go on following Bitwigs way for some time, but... should I find myself be able to realize projects in the named DAW's more easily and with less flaw-based obstacles than in Bitwig Studio, I'll kick the license. Because... like no other software I know Bitwig is reacting to very little feedback..... and weaknesses are even neglected completely, as long as the well-known "Bitwig-experts" like Polarity and similar persons can live with them (what in my experience mostly is the case - good for them, bad for my remaining time with Bitwig).

Don't misunderstand me: Personally, I'm happy for Polarity and similar "fans" of Bitwig and their connection to and relationship with Bitwig. But unfortunately, this doesn't help me at all with my own projects. So as I mentioned I expect to try out Waveform and Studio 1 this year... most likely together with VCV Rack pro. Should this combination work for me better than Bitwig Studio - good bye Bitwig, otherwise I will stay with it until this happens some day in the future.

[eLawnMust]

Piss on BitWig>>>

[Tendou]

To be honest: I have been a fan of Bitwig Studio for many years now... I own a full license since late 2016 and ... I like many features of it...
But throughout the years I also have found myself making steps forward, reaching several limitations of Bitwig Studio and unfortunately I often (if not always) found the meanwhile not only by myself criticized limitations being a consequence of Bitwigs very unsustainable software maintenance. Their policy obviously prefers to gain new customers all the time, but at the price of disappointing and discouraging existing users non-stop. As a person who develops my musical experience over time I expect a software, which 'develops' similarly, making workarounds more and more unnecessary. But instead more and more workarounds are needed to not be disappointed more and more - and this is even connected with an expectation of gaining more and more money - a calculation, I'm personally not satisfied with and I explicitly dislike. I cannot work in this short-sighted manner myself either, if I don't want to get kicks in my butt and ... in the end loose money. I'm personally about to look for another, more professional maintained DAW like Studio 1 or Waveform Tracktion (because I'm on Linux and will remain on this OS). I go on following Bitwigs way for some time, but... should I find myself be able to realize projects in the named DAW's more easily and with less flaw-based obstacles than in Bitwig Studio, I'll kick the license. Because... like no other software I know Bitwig is reacting to very little feedback..... and weaknesses are even neglected completely, as long as the well-known "Bitwig-experts" like Polarity and similar persons can live with them (what in my experience mostly is the case - good for them, bad for my remaining time with Bitwig).

Don't misunderstand me: Personally, I'm happy for Polarity and similar "fans" of Bitwig and their connection to and relationship with Bitwig. But unfortunately, this doesn't help me at all with my own projects. So as I mentioned I expect to try out Waveform and Studio 1 this year... most likely together with VCV Rack pro. Should this combination work for me better than Bitwig Studio - good bye Bitwig, otherwise I will stay with it until this happens some day in the future.

Please ellaborate. At least with 1 or 2 examples