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How Do I Get My Vocals The Same Volume From End To End?
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- 6001 posts since 2 Oct, 2008
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- KVRian
- 630 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from Vancouver. Canada
I'm kind of repeating others here. There's no great+easy+fast method. (pick 2, hah)
I compress a bit on the way in and then (usually) gentle limiting when mixing. On the vocal BUS probably.
I rarely need to, but adjusting individual clip gain can be helpful.
For me, automation is more related to the context. (like based on how much is going on in the track)
I compress a bit on the way in and then (usually) gentle limiting when mixing. On the vocal BUS probably.
I rarely need to, but adjusting individual clip gain can be helpful.
For me, automation is more related to the context. (like based on how much is going on in the track)
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- KVRAF
- 7114 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
Listen to the weaker parts if that also means more room ambience there
- this could be due to different distance to mike
- listen real carefully if more ambience
I remedied that successfully with adding more reverb to the stronger parts(less ambient)
- automating reverb send
- this makes them more equal i feel and level
- I'm not talking about flooding with reverb, just enough to make stronger parts same feel
Then get it all together with former stronger and weaker parts with over all volumes.
- this could be due to different distance to mike
- listen real carefully if more ambience
I remedied that successfully with adding more reverb to the stronger parts(less ambient)
- automating reverb send
- this makes them more equal i feel and level
- I'm not talking about flooding with reverb, just enough to make stronger parts same feel
Then get it all together with former stronger and weaker parts with over all volumes.
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- KVRer
- 24 posts since 18 Aug, 2025
Ok, let's start again slow because I can feel your frustration but I also think you're confused.
First, you have to realize it's not mandatory to have everything at the same level. You're not in mastering. It's rather the opposite actually you need to keep some dynamics to retain punch and performance of the track.
Secondly, gainriders are highly outdated, same as spectral gates, now most mixers would use what we call AI driven lookahead leveling, like the new Noiseworks DynAssist. It's going to gate the silences and level everything else to your threshold without stuttering because it works ahead of time thanks to the lookahead technology.
Thirdly, if leveling the entire performance in the same way/threshold is really your goal, you need to use a multiband compressors with as many band as possible and that is transparent. The ProAudioDSP DSM V3 is probably the best one to do such a job, you run your audio, you press capture and it's going to create a unique specific threshold curve that matches exactly your audio spectrum, that way when you'll increase the compression amount it will not apply evenly but instead will compress more the bass or the highs if needed or whatever and at the end of the day everything will be compressed towards the same level.
4th step, if you want even more uniformity you can indeed use an expander and increase the low level content of your audio so that it is more aligned with all the rest. As you mentioned the MV2 can do that, but in a more transparent and professional direction you could rather use the mcDSP ML4000 to do the task, it will also enable you to have control over which part of the audio you want to expand in the event you wouln't want to bring up the whole audio low level content.
Lastly if you're still not happy with some passages, you can still draw your automation curve and polish the last details...
Hopes this clears things up a bit for you and make it less confusing. Good luck.
First, you have to realize it's not mandatory to have everything at the same level. You're not in mastering. It's rather the opposite actually you need to keep some dynamics to retain punch and performance of the track.
Secondly, gainriders are highly outdated, same as spectral gates, now most mixers would use what we call AI driven lookahead leveling, like the new Noiseworks DynAssist. It's going to gate the silences and level everything else to your threshold without stuttering because it works ahead of time thanks to the lookahead technology.
Thirdly, if leveling the entire performance in the same way/threshold is really your goal, you need to use a multiband compressors with as many band as possible and that is transparent. The ProAudioDSP DSM V3 is probably the best one to do such a job, you run your audio, you press capture and it's going to create a unique specific threshold curve that matches exactly your audio spectrum, that way when you'll increase the compression amount it will not apply evenly but instead will compress more the bass or the highs if needed or whatever and at the end of the day everything will be compressed towards the same level.
4th step, if you want even more uniformity you can indeed use an expander and increase the low level content of your audio so that it is more aligned with all the rest. As you mentioned the MV2 can do that, but in a more transparent and professional direction you could rather use the mcDSP ML4000 to do the task, it will also enable you to have control over which part of the audio you want to expand in the event you wouln't want to bring up the whole audio low level content.
Lastly if you're still not happy with some passages, you can still draw your automation curve and polish the last details...
Hopes this clears things up a bit for you and make it less confusing. Good luck.
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- KVRAF
- 2751 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK
Surprised DynAssist hasn't been mentioned. It's perfect for managing the energetic levels of long vocal regions.
Expensive 149 euros, but if it takes time away from manually doing it, or even doing it with bloomin' autogains, compressors and limiters, it will pay for itself in no time.
https://noiseworksaudio.com/products/dynassist/
Expensive 149 euros, but if it takes time away from manually doing it, or even doing it with bloomin' autogains, compressors and limiters, it will pay for itself in no time.
https://noiseworksaudio.com/products/dynassist/