Real amps vs modelling and plugin amps

[Naillerz78]

Very happy to be off the laptop and back to just relaxing and playing guitar the proper way

It's very satisfying to play with enough skill to enjoy our personal 'performance', and the unique discoveries we succeed with, or desire to work at. We get to create our own language of melody, timbre, rhythm, and tone.

The weird thing about being preached to that there is some "proper way" to play the guitar, is that regardless to whatever amp or amp modeling technology I'm using, there is absolutely no effect on how I am interacting with the guitar itself. I wonder if Naillerz78 believes that when they close their eyes, we all stop existing. Blow-hardiness at it's highest level.

What? Is that a joke?
Who is preaching here?
Ok then I’ll change it to ‘playing the guitar the traditional way’. Yknow how it’s been done for about what 80years (?) since the electric guitar came about. The way that makes all the sounds like the recordings we all know and love.
Not like it has a blanket over it with all the high end stripped out,

Btw you’re wrong .lol if you play the guitar through modelling technology it absolutely has an effect on how you are interacting with the guitar itself.

It’s a synthesised sound.
Tbh I was thinking of this recently - I don’t understand why players that love modelling don’t just go full guitar synthesiser setup with a Roland GK pickup (or whoever) . Just skip the middleman of sims /modelling Fx units altogether ?
There so much more a synth can do.. make your guitar sound like strings, piano, horns etc etc

Why limit yoself?

[Naillerz78]

Very happy to be off the laptop and back to just relaxing and playing guitar the proper way

It's very satisfying to play with enough skill to enjoy our personal 'performance', and the unique discoveries we succeed with, or desire to work at. We get to create our own language of melody, timbre, rhythm, and tone.

Amen to that

[guitarzan]

…‘playing the guitar the traditional way’. Yknow how it’s been done for about what 80years (?) since the electric guitar came about…

Closer to 90 years at least, the Gibson ES-150 was one of the first commercial hollowbody electric guitars and that was introduced in 1936, but the first widely known electric guitar was actually a solid body lap steel (1931 Rickenbacker Electro A-22, the “frying pan”), and there was experimentation even earlier (the Stromberg Electro came out in 1928, probably even earlier hobbyist’s efforts).

You know someone had to look at the early Rickenbacker and instantly think “that pickup would work on a regular guitar!”

It’s close enough to a hundred years of electric guitar now to go ahead and round it up in my opinion.

[Uncle E]

You know someone had to look at the early Rickenbacker and instantly think “that pickup would work on a regular guitar!”

[guitarzan]

It was looking to me like a total no-go on the Roland GP-8 being able to switch channels on the Soho preamp because the GP-8 external control out jacks were mono 1/4”, not TRS — but there are two of them, so if I use a cable that had a 1/4” TRS plug split into two 1/4” mono plugs then I should be golden, right? I believe those are called insert cables.

The GP-8 patches would just have to turn on or off whatever combination of the two external control output jacks needed to select the channel I wanted…??

External Control:
Jack-1 off, Jack-2 off = Clean
Jack-1 on, Jack-2 off = Crunch
Jack-1 off, Jack-2 on = Lead
Jack-1 on, Jack-2 on = Hot

Something along those lines… I think that would work.

[Naillerz78]

Just came across this video from my fave YT player Tommy B …
High praise indeed for the M9
I’m shocked



That’s immediately going on the must purchase list now

[YnJ]

The weird thing about being preached to that there is some "proper way" to play the guitar, is that regardless to whatever amp or amp modeling technology I'm using, there is absolutely no effect on how I am interacting with the guitar itself. I wonder if Naillerz78 believes that when they close their eyes, we all stop existing. Blow-hardiness at it's highest level.

If you want stick to digital modelling, that's fine. No one is meddling with how you like to do things, you take it too personal when other people have a different opinion or approach on how to do things. If you think how I prefer to do it and my opinions are wrong, I'm fine with that, I don't take it personally. If you want to show me how to get my plugins to work just as well for me as hardware amps, I'm completely open to that and the possibility that I'm doing something wrong. Perhaps I am ignorant, ad hominen arguments are not going to educate me though. Have you ever considered that you not experiencing any effect on how you are interacting with your guitar using digital amps might not mean other people don't experience it as well though

[YnJ]

I bowed out of that part of the discussion when I realized that people who fingerpick or two hand tap might not be experiencing the same things that pick players experience.

Not sure what you mean. I often use all those methods when playing a solo, and sometimes both the pick and my fingers when playing riffs

[YnJ]

There so much more a synth can do.. make your guitar sound like strings, piano, horns etc etc

This is probably a herecy, I have used a keyboard with a sampled acoustic guitar on a couple of recordings instead of a real acoustic guitar. Part laziness, part I can play things which are physically impossible on a real guitar. Please, don't hate me

[zerocrossing]

The weird thing about being preached to that there is some "proper way" to play the guitar, is that regardless to whatever amp or amp modeling technology I'm using, there is absolutely no effect on how I am interacting with the guitar itself. I wonder if Naillerz78 believes that when they close their eyes, we all stop existing. Blow-hardiness at it's highest level.

If you want stick to digital modelling, that's fine. No one is meddling with how you like to do things, you take it too personal when other people have a different opinion or approach on how to do things. If you think how I prefer to do it and my opinions are wrong, I'm fine with that, I don't take it personally. If you want to show me how to get my plugins to work just as well for me as hardware amps, I'm completely open to that and the possibility that I'm doing something wrong. Perhaps I am ignorant, ad hominen arguments are not going to educate me though. Have you ever considered that you not experiencing any effect on how you are interacting with your guitar using digital amps might not mean other people don't experience it as well though

That post wasn't about you.

I don't honestly care what anyone does. My ire comes from jerks who declare that how they're doing this is the "proper" way, which is a direct insult to everyone who's doing things in a different way, and sorry if it hurts your feelings, but I'm pointing that b.s. out.

[revvy]

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but real amps are obviously better.

[Uncle E]

Not sure what you mean. I often use all those methods when playing a solo, and sometimes both the pick and my fingers when playing riffs

Someone earlier said the sound of the pick attack isn't natural with modelers, and I realized that might be the reason I'm not hearing the problem. Ironically, I did use a pick recently when I was first testing the Brown Sound library, but normally I strictly finger pick.

[YnJ]

I primarily use a pick. I haven't thought about it, it kind of makes sense though. For me at least, the biggest dynamic difference in my playing is when I use a pick. Playing legato and tapping is mostly on/off. There are dynamic differences when using my fingers as well, though I probably don't fingerpick in the sense you do I guess

Funny though, for some reason I took you for more of a hard rock or metal guy. Perhaps I'm just not aware of the subgenre of fingerpicking metal yet

[zerocrossing]

There so much more a synth can do.. make your guitar sound like strings, piano, horns etc etc

This is probably a herecy, I have used a keyboard with a sampled acoustic guitar on a couple of recordings instead of a real acoustic guitar. Part laziness, part I can play things which are physically impossible on a real guitar. Please, don't hate me

I've done this, with things like upright bass and classical guitar. Sometimes I want those things in a production and I both don't play them and don't own them. It's just like I'd use SWAM Cello or a horn library. I'm no purist. I play the electric and acoustic guitar parts in my songs because I enjoy it, not for some authenticity reason.

[zerocrossing]

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but real amps are obviously better for annoying people and providing scratching posts for cats.

Fixed that for ya!