Are you migrating?

[BrokenTrance]

Now with windows 11 and tpm 2 are you moving away from Windows to Linux or perhaaaps Mac? I know to circumvent tpm 2 requirment, but anyway. I use Ableton Live and it is nice. Bitwig is okay but a bit more, dare i say bloated. Ableton Live is more in line with my thinkig. I need clip launch so it is either of these - the others that have tried with clip launch is no good for me. Not that it matters anyway, because i do nothing productive
I try Ubuntu Studio and so far so good. I have an old computer, but it is still very powerful so i will not in the near future buy a new one.

What is your thoughts?

[tapper mike]

Okay I'll bite.

Last year I got a new computer and along with it Windows 11 pro because I read stuff I didn't like about windows 11 home.
I'd had my last windows machine for the last ten years and while it was mostly powerful enough to handle what I needed at the time I also had the good fortune of the financial freedom to do so. Yes the new machine is much much more powerful than the last. I have no regrets regarding my decision.

Going back through history I've switched computers and operating systems frequently. Tandy, Commodore, Atari all come to mind. Of all the other computer systems I'd use at work for data entry work those with DOS were far and away the most reliable. Microsoft was a software company before it was an operating company and when the opportunity to purchase a microsoft operating system computer I jumped at it. That was DOS 3.1 Which evolved into Windows.

Yes Apple's Mac computer had better graphics at first. But I quickly came to realize that any software released for windows or mac. The windows version was more feature rich. It wasn't too much longer that Windows graphics matched or excelled the mac computers at the time. Windows machines weren't as sexy looking. Windows had more software available. In '95 windows dominated the operating system marked and killed many a rising star such as Wang.

By the end of '95 I'd already started doing web design and from there I became a professional web designer which lead me down a long and successful track of computer related work which allowed me to migrate away from the hospitality field.
In '98 I got a second machine where I installed a Red Hat distro of Linux. I thought it was a joke in regards to home computing but served useful in understanding networking as well as backend and middleware languages. The home user software freely available was a joke compared to the freeware readily available on windows at the time. Never updated.

Still always wanting to contribute I did share some minor coding in earlier installments of audacity. Something I couldn't have done on my PC. In 2005 my career in software was firmly planted and I did not need Linux in my life. The software company tried to develop a Mac version of our windows software all it did was slow our windows version to a crawl and nearly bankrupted the company. At the time 85% of home users which was our target audience were on PC's. It was a no brainer not to develop for Mac even though we lost about 2% when they switched over to mac. Later they would try through various means to get the software to run. The only way that happened was via a dual boot machine.

I started computer science (BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN) back in the 70's I've never owned a mac and don't intend to, though I have had to navigate them once or twice. I hate Chrome though it did come in handy for accessing my windows desktop remotely.

In Summary

No operating system or software/plugin can be all you wanted and more. Most are less. Wishing won't make it a reality. I know I've tried to wish features into DAW's and even asked for those features only time and time again to have them not materialize. Sometimes it's just not possible take the bitter pill, we all do.

If you are happy with your rig I'm happy for you even if it isn't mine. If I'm happy with my rig (Which I am for the most part) don't try to convince me I'm wrong.

[Logickin]

The problem is that Native Instruments IS really the biggest roadblock for Linux migration because its Native Access has frustrated many Linux users which it always fails to be installed after an update, while the solution seems complicated that is not friendly for a normal user, yet the legacy version is less and less usable.

Unless there are orchestral libraries that support Linux, the chances of moving to Linux is slim.

Source: https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.ph ... a&start=15

[BrokenTrance]

The problem is that Native Instruments IS really the biggest roadblock for Linux migration because its Native Access has frustrated many Linux users which it always fails to be installed after an update, while the solution seems complicated that is not friendly for a normal user, yet the legacy version is less and less usable.

Unless there are orchestral libraries that support Linux, the chances of moving to Linux is slim.

Source: https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.ph ... a&start=15

I understand completely. That is a HUUUGE problem for linux users.

[BrokenTrance]

Okay I'll bite.

Last year I got a new computer and along with it Windows 11 pro because I read stuff I didn't like about windows 11 home.
I'd had my last windows machine for the last ten years and while it was mostly powerful enough to handle what I needed at the time I also had the good fortune of the financial freedom to do so. Yes the new machine is much much more powerful than the last. I have no regrets regarding my decision.

Going back through history I've switched computers and operating systems frequently. Tandy, Commodore, Atari all come to mind. Of all the other computer systems I'd use at work for data entry work those with DOS were far and away the most reliable. Microsoft was a software company before it was an operating company and when the opportunity to purchase a microsoft operating system computer I jumped at it. That was DOS 3.1 Which evolved into Windows.

Yes Apple's Mac computer had better graphics at first. But I quickly came to realize that any software released for windows or mac. The windows version was more feature rich. It wasn't too much longer that Windows graphics matched or excelled the mac computers at the time. Windows machines weren't as sexy looking. Windows had more software available. In '95 windows dominated the operating system marked and killed many a rising star such as Wang.

By the end of '95 I'd already started doing web design and from there I became a professional web designer which lead me down a long and successful track of computer related work which allowed me to migrate away from the hospitality field.
In '98 I got a second machine where I installed a Red Hat distro of Linux. I thought it was a joke in regards to home computing but served useful in understanding networking as well as backend and middleware languages. The home user software freely available was a joke compared to the freeware readily available on windows at the time. Never updated.

Still always wanting to contribute I did share some minor coding in earlier installments of audacity. Something I couldn't have done on my PC. In 2005 my career in software was firmly planted and I did not need Linux in my life. The software company tried to develop a Mac version of our windows software all it did was slow our windows version to a crawl and nearly bankrupted the company. At the time 85% of home users which was our target audience were on PC's. It was a no brainer not to develop for Mac even though we lost about 2% when they switched over to mac. Later they would try through various means to get the software to run. The only way that happened was via a dual boot machine.

I started computer science (BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN) back in the 70's I've never owned a mac and don't intend to, though I have had to navigate them once or twice. I hate Chrome though it did come in handy for accessing my windows desktop remotely.

In Summary

No operating system or software/plugin can be all you wanted and more. Most are less. Wishing won't make it a reality. I know I've tried to wish features into DAW's and even asked for those features only time and time again to have them not materialize. Sometimes it's just not possible take the bitter pill, we all do.

If you are happy with your rig I'm happy for you even if it isn't mine. If I'm happy with my rig (Which I am for the most part) don't try to convince me I'm wrong.

Thanks for that post.

[Resonant- Serpent]

No, or not yet. I'm going to do the extra year of security updates for Windows 10 and see what happens after that. I did read that they have rolled out upgrades to Windows 11 that don't need the TPM 2 to function, so waiting a year to see how it all shakes out seems to be a good plan. I'm seriously leaning towards just having my Win10 studio computer go offline if there are no more updates or upgrade paths. I've read that Recall in future verisons of Windows is set to be mandatory, and there's zero chance in hell I'll let that happen on any computer I own.

[Logickin]

I've read that Recall in future verisons of Windows is set to be mandatory, and there's zero chance in hell I'll let that happen on any computer I own.

Could you show me the related news about recall being mandatory? I only see such news written in last year which is before the backlash. If they recently rethink about forcing users to use this questionable program, then I would think it is better to sacrifice all my Kontakt instruments when they force that program into my machine, but seems my newly purchased laptop have no recall installed and I can safely remove copilot, so we might be safe for awhile.

Edit: seems like recall requires people to set up facial recognition or finger print recognition, but my laptop support neither of them, so possibly, this is the reason why don’t I have recall.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoft/comm ... are_button

[chaocrator]

Now with windows 11 and tpm 2 are you moving away from Windows to Linux or perhaaaps Mac?

no, i'm not migrating because i already live in Windoze-free environment for a very long while.
so, my 2 cents:

– if you want a system that just works and runs your commercial software, go Mac. they are pretty accessible now, and even a second hand Silicon Mac is way more future proof than any machine in Windoze world (not true anymore about Intel-based Macs because next Mac OS will be the very last one that supports Intel CPUs).
my 2012 (!) Mac Mini was retired only yesterday, 31.08.2025 due to lack of AVX2 instructions, so it can't run latest Bitwig beta.

– Linux is not that scary these days.
any class compliant audio interfaces / controllers / etc will work at their hardware part.
no, you don't have THAT overwhelming choice of plugins as on commercial OSes – but you know what? narrowing down the choice often increases actual productivity.
there is quite some of commercial stuff that has native Linux versions – but when it comes to major DAWs, Reaper & Bitwig are your only options.

[EnGee]

I’m trying to restrict my usage for Windows as a work/play system.
Currently, I’m using Mac more for music production (Primarily Logic and my hardware synths).
Anyway, I’m trying Linux and keeping my setup ready there. I have CachyOS with Bitwig 5 on external SSD ready (I love this distro even more than Mint, faster and snappier).
I also have tested Bitwig on my Steam Deck! It works great but the CPU is much weaker than my PC and Mac. For a minimal setup (Bitwig + my hardware), it’s very good

[D-Fusion]

Now with windows 11 and tpm 2 are you moving away from Windows to Linux or perhaaaps Mac?

no, i'm not migrating because i already live in Windoze-free environment for a very long while.
so, my 2 cents:

– if you want a system that just works and runs your commercial software, go Mac. they are pretty accessible now, and even a second hand Silicon Mac is way more future proof than any machine in Windoze world (not true anymore about Intel-based Macs because next Mac OS will be the very last one that supports Intel CPUs).
my 2012 (!) Mac Mini was retired only yesterday, 31.08.2025 due to lack of AVX2 instructions, so it can't run latest Bitwig beta.

– Linux is not that scary these days.
any class compliant audio interfaces / controllers / etc will work at their hardware part.
no, you don't have THAT overwhelming choice of plugins as on commercial OSes – but you know what? narrowing down the choice often increases actual productivity.
there is quite some of commercial stuff that has native Linux versions – but when it comes to major DAWs, Reaper & Bitwig are your only options.

I have been a diehard anti Mac person for all my life because of all the flip flopping they do that breaks backwards compatibility where windows have worked fine for decades without any issues here since i know how to tweak it and set it up properly and create a Image file when i am done.

Microsoft really screwed up things badly with their forced 24H2 Update that killed almost all of my usb connected Hardware synths and the problems are getting worse for each update now and the latest updates Silently kills Some SSD and M.2 Drives in the background And the next update will be so intrusive that I have to look for something else since they will now add AI in Windows that Is watching everything you do in Windows so you can search for something like "What did i do on my computer last week", and it will show me everything i did that week including what files i have opened.

I don't want a OS that Logs every step I do and annoy me With AI Tips that i don't need and force updates that make most of my setup useless and Silently killing Some of my Hardware so Microsoft has gone 1 step to far this time for me to support them anymore.

I also don't want to loose all the software i have bought over the years So I think my next Computer will be a Mac since Linux is not an option unless i sell all my vst's that doesn't support Linux and only focus on my Hardware synth and Rompler Setup.

[legendCNCD]

Migrate to what? Why?
There is no alternative. I have Win 11 Pro and no problems. Why would I migrate to something worse for me? Note: Pro - not Home, where one cannot control 'anything'.

[AdvancedFollower]

Been running Windows 11 since early 2022 and haven't had any problems. I think the grass is always greener on the other side but I have had no reason to move away from Windows.

[legendCNCD]

I'd rather "waste time" to do music in the meantime, than worry about the OS or such when everything is running just fine. There are larger problems in the world...

[havran]

Yes, I am definitely migrating from Windows 10 Pro to Linux. I have also been considering getting a Mac Mini for some specific apps that don't run well (or at all) on Linux -- but that's an expense I should put off for now.

[havran]

Now with windows 11 and tpm 2 are you moving away from Windows to Linux or perhaaaps Mac?

– if you want a system that just works and runs your commercial software, go Mac. they are pretty accessible now, and even a second hand Silicon Mac is way more future proof than any machine in Windoze world (not true anymore about Intel-based Macs because next Mac OS will be the very last one that supports Intel CPUs).
my 2012 (!) Mac Mini was retired only yesterday, 31.08.2025 due to lack of AVX2 instructions, so it can't run latest Bitwig beta.

Thank you for this information!