Massive X 1.6.1 update (September 2025)!

[glokraw]

You should all just thank God it's not back to the endless DVD installation process. I think there were 6 for Komplete, possibly more of them. Took hours.

I don't know the percentage of customers who buy Komplete with the intent to intsall everything at once, so I may be in a tiny minority who knew exactly the dozen or so items from Komplete that would actually get immediate use. And even that group was not installed all at once either, as there was a need for some immediate gratification playing some of the fine synths.

I think NI would get a boost in sales if they provided optional installers that worked without the free randomizer tool known as Native Access

[BBFG#]

They used to let us download from our account then install what and as we needed. Service Center then was just for authorizing and was the only thing we could depend on it for. Killing the download from account was the beginning of the end for me.

[aMUSEd]

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/a ... downloads/

[BBFG#]

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/a ... downloads/

That's nice. But it leaves out many current titles I own.
And most titles are what I can get from the third party developer any way.
And how are those authorized?
If it still requires Access, it still blows.
Always hoping they rethink the worse product they ever coded.

[josb]

I asked a few weeks ago; downloads still require NA/NTKDaemon for authorization. Goodbye, NI.

[EvilDragon]

Y'all are delusional if you're thinking they would redo their authorization system from scratch at the drop of a hat just because some forumites thing they should.

[osiris]

The phrase cut off your nose to spite your face comes to mind.
I'm sick of seeing this about the NTK Daemon. It's come around steadily like a plague of locusts for the last, what? - 20 years, and as far as I know, has never done anything except update the freaking plugins.
(I'm beginning to think it's someone from a rival company stirring up distrust)
But, that's me.

You should have been around for the Tone2 watermark kerfuffle.

[BBFG#]

It's come around steadily like a plague of locusts for the last, what? - 20 years

That, in and of itself , shows there's a consistent problem greater than they or you want to admit. much less resolve.
My problems with Access is that first, it only does what it thinks it does about 10% of the time for me. More often having failed or otherwise corrupted downloads and requiring it be attempted over and over again getting the same results. (Insanity?)
Then after finally getting it to work properly, having to go through that insanity on a second machine.
This "Daemon thing" is just a j*z-merangue on a sh*tp*e compared to something that has just been a consistently bad experience for me.
I've spent over a decade finding work arounds that put it in a troublesome quirky but still put up with it category.
What they have consistently worked on for the last decade is destroying every work around and making it not worth the effort of what we put up with and what it is trying to make its customers kowtow to.
Make no mistake, Native Instruments is the delusional party here. Marked with a smug indifference and apparent schadenfreude towards its customers while instilling a dopamine treat of elitism toward anyone that supports this. All they really need to do is listen to "the locusts" and fix it.

Why would anyone be against that?

[Teksonik]

Y'all are delusional if you're thinking they would redo their authorization system from scratch at the drop of a hat just because some forumites thing they should.

You're delusional if you think buying software from a company gives them permission to do anything they wish to our systems. We're not "forumites" we're paying customers. Well some of us are anyway.

I'm sick of seeing this about the NTK Daemon.

I'm sick of an .exe that keeps a constant up/down internet connection whether we're using an NI product or not:

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I'm sick of having to delete their spyware .exe after every time I run Native Abscess. Their plugins work just fine without it. Should I mention the hundreds and hundreds of great sounding plugins I own that don't require a running .exe that keeps a constant up/down connection or require me to opt out of data tracking?

Do I care if my opinion triggers anyone? Absolutely not.

[swilow11]

Do I care if my opinion triggers anyone? Absolutely not.

Lol, half the reason you post is to "trigger people". Nice try though.

[catamorphism]

This type of authorization and plugin distribution is kind of the norm now and I don't terribly mind. Theirs is not great since it occasionally fails to update the daemon but whatever. Just computers in 2025.

[seafire]

Do I care if my opinion triggers anyone? Absolutely not.

Does anyone care about your opinion? Absolutely not.

[mabian]

Do I care if my opinion triggers anyone? Absolutely not.

Does anyone care about your opinion? Absolutely not.

Please let everyone decide if whoever opinions matter, and let's go on derailing this thread

[Teksonik]

Do I care if my opinion triggers anyone? Absolutely not.

Lol, half the reason you post is to "trigger people". Nice try though.

No, the reason I post is to educate people.

[Teksonik]

Do I care if my opinion triggers anyone? Absolutely not.

Does anyone care about your opinion? Absolutely not.

Of course not but I still have the right to express that opinion especially when there is useful information contained in that opinion. You are free to ignore what I write.

I bought my first N.I. product well over 20 years ago with a boxed version of FM7 and have purchased many more of their products and updates over the years so that entitles me to an opinion on their current business practices whether the sycophants agree with it or not.

The salient point is that Native Instruments is majority owned by: "Francisco Partners is a leading technology investment firm with deep sector focus and a track record of delivering outstanding returns. Through our private equity and credit funds, we provide flexible capital and partnership to growth-aspiring technology companies".

If you trust any company owned by a private equity firm dedicated to "outstanding returns" rather than customer satisfaction then the only word that comes to mind in that case is "gullible". Anyone who pays even a modicum of attention to what corporations are doing these days knows they can not be trusted.

N.I. is data mining your system plain and simple even if you have "Data Tracking" turned off. Simply observing what's happening to you system will verify that fact. "Ooooh but it helps improve their plugins". Really? Is that why plugins like Battery and FM8 that customers have been begging for GUI resize for over a decade still don't have that function? Spending a single hour scouring forums like this one and social media will tell a company far more about what their customers want than the mining (and the possible sales) of system data if they really cared about customer satisfaction and not just "outstanding returns".

NI is starting to add Data tracking to Plugin Alliance plugins so do you think they spent the man hour capital to add that function to help you? Or was it more likely added to help them in some way?

If you're fine with giving a company permission to do anything they wish to your system then shhhhh go back to sleep.

Anyone who is concerned about the data on their system can simply delete the NTKDaemon.exe every time it is reinstalled.

I don't know about you but I'm very concerned with the safety and security of my most important computer which is my DAW system. That's why I pay attention to what some companies are doing to it.....

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