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spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:48 am

drez wrote:For me, doing the same thing as you for 39 dollars (purchasing EnergyXT and using Tracktion Free) and buying reason for the upgrade price is the better deal, hands down.

yes, but if you want your hands at desk hight so that you can actually do some work in it, it's not such a good deal

just kidding

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:36 pm

headquest wrote: NN-XT + NN19: NI Kontakt ($399) EnergyXT - ($50)
Maelstrom: Linplug Albino ($199) Crystal - FREE
Subtractor: Linplug Alpha ($59) Synth1 FREE or polyIblit - FREE
ReDrum: NI Battery 2 ($229) RM-F - FREE or DR 005 - FREE or Drumatic - FREE
DrRex/Rebirth input device: N/A
Matrix/Combinator/Spiders: energyXT ($39) already got it so its FREE for this stuff
RV7000 reverb: Roomverb M2 ($145) SIR - FREE
Scream 4: Izotope Trash ($199) any no. of great free distortion plugins
MClass: Izotope Ozone ($249) Digital FishPhones or Kjaerhus Classic Series - FREE
That's a total cost of $1,966 compared to just $369 for Reason or around $50 for EnergyXT and everything else covered for FREE

Just a third comparison added [underlined text].

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:44 pm

BONES wrote:
headquest wrote: NN-XT + NN19: NI Kontakt ($399) EnergyXT - ($50)
Maelstrom: Linplug Albino ($199) Crystal - FREE
Subtractor: Linplug Alpha ($59) Synth1 FREE or polyIblit - FREE
ReDrum: NI Battery 2 ($229) RM-F - FREE or DR 005 - FREE or Drumatic - FREE
DrRex/Rebirth input device: N/A
Matrix/Combinator/Spiders: energyXT ($39) already got it so its FREE for this stuff
RV7000 reverb: Roomverb M2 ($145) SIR - FREE
Scream 4: Izotope Trash ($199) any no. of great free distortion plugins
MClass: Izotope Ozone ($249) Digital FishPhones or Kjaerhus Classic Series - FREE
That's a total cost of $1,966 compared to just $369 for Reason or around $50 for EnergyXT and everything else covered for FREE
Just a third comparison added [underlined text].

Thanks for the recommendations Bones

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Actually I have most of the items in your list already, and for what it's worth I don't personally think they come close, either in terms of sound quality or CPU efficiency.

If you want to go down the freeware route (and have a sequencer with a "Freeze" function, which is essential for this one) then Ambience is a great reverb that I would highly recommend (though not quite as good as Reason's RV7000, which is on the next level).

The Kjaerhus Classics are worthy (i.e. very good!) alternatives to Reason 1.0 effects, though you've no doubt noticed that Propellerheads are progressively replacing all these (most done by v.3.0).

I notice that didn't find me a replacement for the Orkester multisampled sound set that comes in Reason (or the ElectroMechanical refill, which is also great). This may simply indicate that we come from different stylistic backgrounds... which is cool, but suffice it to say that I very much *need* those sounds, and they form a major part of what drew me to Reason.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:47 pm

drez wrote: More doesn't equal better. I own both Orion and Fruity, and I don't think they sound better than Reason.

A crap song will sound crap no matter what you use to make it

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:49 pm

drez wrote:Are you telling me that it is ALWAYS better to have more of something?

No but you said "more doesn't equal better" and then three sentences later said how many more tracks you could run in Reason, as though more suddenly did equal better.

And if you don't like the generators that come with Fruity or ORION, you don't have to use them.
Then why would I buy Orion?

To use as a plugin host? That's the rub with Reason, you are stuck with it and no hope of expandablity. You have to either like it all or lump it.

You are assuming that everything else about Onion or Fruity is what everybody is looking for.

Mmmmmmm... O N I O N. You have it completely arse-about. Where Fruity or ORION are lacking you can use plugins to fill the gaps. e.g. It doesn't come with any Phase Distortion synths so I use my own. What does a Reason user do to make phase distortion sounds? Or 4-op FM? Or wavetable synthesis? etc? etc?

On the flip side, If all I DID like were the generators, then I'd be forced to use it as a rewire slave exactly like reason just to use them.

Then you'd be crazy because it would be so much less hassle to find other synths to do the job.

Yes, I would, because I think that those hosts are more difficult to use than tracktion+reason. Reason is an easy concept and so is tracktion. I can work quickly in both and they do what I want.

You must love clicking your mouse to navigate around that absurd 800 pixel wide rack.

How can you talk about what reason can or cannot do if you've never even used it? I thought you had at least TRIED it.

I tried it when it first came out on a machine at work through computer speakers. It was such a bad experience I had no desire to install it at home and hear what it sounded like because the workflow sucked.

drez wrote:For me, doing the same thing as you for 39 dollars (purchasing EnergyXT and using Tracktion Free) and buying reason for the upgrade price is the better deal, hands down.

That reads to me as though you think I have eXT and Traktion and you have a Reason upgrade. It makes no sense to me because I don't have Traktion [I couldn't be arsed going through the registration process].

Rabid · Post by **Rabid** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:51 pm

I have all of the items on the list. The second colum does sound much better than Reason but there is no way I can run all of that on my laptop. That stuff goes on the DAW with Sonar. But on my laptop Reason runs just fine. The third colum is a very nice, cheap setup but again, not going to run well on a low powered laptop.

JMHO,

Robert

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:53 pm

Kriminal wrote:
drez wrote: More doesn't equal better. I own both Orion and Fruity, and I don't think they sound better than Reason.
A crap song will sound crap no matter what you use to make it

I can vouch for that...

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:07 pm

headquest wrote:If you want to go down the freeware route (and have a sequencer with a "Freeze" function, which is essential for this one) then Ambience is a great reverb that I would highly recommend (though not quite as good as Reason's RV7000, which is on the next level).

And SIR creams 'em all for free. I don't get the need for Freeze at all. Like I said, we make dense, heavy music and my CPU never comes close to 50% at low latency. I could have two album mixes running flat-out simultaneously with no clicks or stutters.

And I don't have any problems with the quality of any of the instruments I use and unless they have done a lot of work on Subtraktor I think you would be in the minority thinking it sounded better than Synth1 or polyIblit. I don't know any commercial synth that sounds better than polyIblit.

The Kjaerhus Classics are worthy (i.e. very good!) alternatives to Reason 1.0 effects, though you've no doubt noticed that Propellerheads are progressively replacing all these (most done by v.3.0).

Obviously we also have different interpretations of "progressively". You probably see glaciers rushing down the valley. Reason 1 effects were awful, several orders of magnitude below most freeware of the time [MDA plugins]. The Classics are way better than that.

I notice that didn't find me a replacement for the Orkester multisampled sound set that comes in Reason (or the ElectroMechanical refill, which is also great).

I wouldn't even know where to look for stuff like that.

Rabid · Post by **Rabid** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:22 pm

What I really REALLY wish I could find is a group of VSTi's to use in Orion Plat on my laptop that are as efficient as the instruments in Reason.

Robert

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:55 pm

I have totally no idea how you came to this

this can only be the opinion of someone quite non demanding.

BONES wrote:ReDrum: NI Battery 2 ($229) RM-F - FREE or DR 005 - FREE or Drumatic - FREE

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:03 pm

Agreed. Those three progs are a pretty poor replacement for Redrum (taking nothing away from Drumatic - its awesome at what it does)

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:17 pm

Rabid wrote:What I really REALLY wish I could find is a group of VSTi's to use in Orion Plat on my laptop that are as efficient as the instruments in Reason.

Robert

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drez · Post by **drez** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:08 pm

Kriminal wrote:
drez wrote: More doesn't equal better. I own both Orion and Fruity, and I don't think they sound better than Reason.
A crap song will sound crap no matter what you use to make it

So are you saying I only make crap songs?

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:14 pm

drez wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
drez wrote: More doesn't equal better. I own both Orion and Fruity, and I don't think they sound better than Reason.
A crap song will sound crap no matter what you use to make it
So are you saying I only make crap songs?

well i know i do

why don't you ?

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:21 pm

I will say that orkester is irreplacible for free, but the electromechanical(while excellent) could be replaced by organized trio(15 bucks donateware) and Mr ray(also 15 bucks) and ticki clav(free), and would sound as good or better in some cases.

REASON FRIGGIN ROCKS!!!