Studio One 7.2

[ffx]

I like Studio One, it's straightforward, but I agree there are lot of little things which could be improved, e.g. the favorite management, you should be able to do multiple selections at once in the plugin lists. The advanced note tools are kind of buggy (you can workaround it). It can cause hanging notes if you switch sample rate while playing, so midi reset / reset audio buffers isn't working correctly. List goes on. I guess there is a developer blindness involved, when communication isn't directly with the (beta-)users? dawproject support is very buggy currently. The support isn't helping really, once they realize it's buggy, they do not seem to be even thankful for bugreports, which is really strange. Maybe that support is 3rd party, no idea.

[andypryce]

For Scoring you can not beat map to Markers, which is a big omission if you use Markers for hit points in your video.
Bounce in Place does not include tails and have zero options like including inserts, automation etc
Browser is weak compared to anything out there.
Sampler and Impact do not have Fade i/o for quick adjustments.
Auto Save in background without interrupting the operation.
Solution to lag with heavy projects

These are the things I've been waiting for quite sometime.

[dastewart]

I feel like this is a discussion we've had many times before but since Presonus haven't changed the landscape in the last year it remains relevant. I actually have some sympathy with almost every point that's been made, even those that seem contradictory. Studio One is a very well featured DAW and imho was ahead of its competitors in many areas. So while it hasn't been making the same progress as others, it did have a headstart and there's an element of others playing catch up.

However, there seem to be two key issues with Studio One since Fender took over. The first is that they are prioritising new customers over existing customers and the second is that they keep making bold promises about the rate of progress which are never fulfilled.

In terms of prioritising new customers then that comes through in the pricing model (which shafted existing customers who had invested $$$ in perpetual licences) but also in their development where they seem to want to just produce a tick list of new features which looks good on the marketing blurb but which aren't necessarily that useful, or that well implemented, and haven't spent any energy making the existing stuff better. It's not bad, but there are lots of areas that could be improved (and bugs fixed) which are being ignored.

So I know it's never been stated by them but in terms of their actions there seems to be a fairly clear plan to try and attract new customers rather than support existing ones.

And moving on to their bold (and ridiculous) statement about 4 major updates a year then I guess everybody can make their own conclusions whether they are delivering that but my view, and I'm pretty sure it's the vast majority who think this, they have totally failed.

I'm still on v6 and waiting for anything in v7 or any of the "major" updates which would attract me to upgrading but there's nothing. And I don't think I'm unusual in my requirements even if we all work differently.

I did look around at other DAWs because I was so annoyed with the direction that Presonus is taking but I didn't find anything that made it worth jumping ship. But, at the same time, I haven't bought anything from Presonus since I upgraded to v6 so they've got me as a customer but failed to monetise my allegiance.

I wonder if I'm typical and they'll think again about trying to make upgrading more attractive to existing customers.

[jkez]

Its unfortunate that theyve chosen this path, but it is what it is.
My advice- do the same as I do with Bitwig. Buy upgrades when they have a sale and save the code and activate it when you deem the upgrades are worthy. For me sometimes thats much more than a year inbetween. Software still works. New releases have problems. Not very productive if you need stability.

Studio One is particulary problematic in this regard because in the past theyve build their name on hype and people now are dissapointed when the pace has changed.

[Bowsy]

My thoughts exactly. Half baked in sums up a lot of the great looking promo vids only to be let down by basic functionality that they never seem to get round to expanding on. Atmos was probably the only thing in a while they seemed to get done and dusted over a decent amount of time as in it feels complete.

They just need to improve on what's already there if you ask me. PDC bugs the hell out of me but so does the way it handles VST3 paramater values over VST2 for automation. I'm not sure if any one noticed but if you use VST2 instruments it uses the same numerical values of +100 -100 in any part automation lane no matter the VST maker. Switch to VST3 and it uses what ever the VST3 puts out.

Apply some pitch bend automation in a midi part, use the same part in a few VST3 instruments from UHE to Serum to Arturia and compare the numerical values against each other up the left hand side of the lane vs the VST2 versions of the same instruments. Drives me nuts it does. Arturia to Serum to UHE it's never the same. It's always the same under VST2 no matter the VSTI you use. It used to convert the values of all your VST2 Instruments as soon as you used a VST3 in the same project and touched any automation node in any VST2 automation lane from then on.

Not a fan of changing things for the sake of it either and getting excuses like works as intended. Keep speaker format for example. All the GUI changes that caused a big hoo haa over grid lines for the sake of a new look and feel. For the most part it looks ok but I don't like the way it looks like it has gaps in between parts now.

For all it's faults I still to this day swear it has the best work flow of any DAW I have used. I use it because it's not clunky and you never waste time or lose idea's trolling through menu's. I stayed on V6 and nothing I have seen so far makes me want to use V7. They just need to stop messing with it's strongest feature IMO.

Agree with others here it's been new customer focused for a while now, certainly has been from V7. Not that it's wrong ofc. Maby they thought going subscription from the days of Sphere would unite the user base under one roof but it's had the opposite affect IMO. More so when Fender took over and the slate was wiped clean for anything prior to V7.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

For me, Studio One is "the total package." It assists in every part of song creation—from writing, to recording, to arranging, to scoring, to mixing, to mastering. Lyrics sheets, tablature, chord charts, drum notation, track notes, alternate mixes and arrangements, live show and full album track sequencing, true mastering. It is a complete solution and all-in-one environment.

Not disagreeing with you that the entire creation workflow can be accomplished within S1

For me - while all these "steps" certainly have tools - some of these "tools" are just passable. Just good enough for most people to adapt their workflow to - rather than the other way around - allow S1 to adapt to my workflow - which for me - is the hallmark of a pro level "total package".

And as noted by many others in the thread - the weaknesses within S1 are brutally apparent - starting with the Browser. If Presonus would just rework this thing to be actually useful - I think the whole temperature of this update cycle would change.

VP

[J Veronica]

Studio One is feature complete for recording, mixing and mastering, I would agree with that.

However it's also true that the browser could be more efficient. Ultimately I'm not waiting for a trendy new app or plugin. Just optimize and improve what we already have based on years of ignored feature requests.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Studio One is feature complete for recording, mixing and mastering, I would agree with that.

However it's also true that the browser could be more efficient. Ultimately I'm not waiting for a trendy new app or plugin. Just optimize and improve what we already have based on years of ignored feature requests.

Totally agree.

Presonus could literally not offer a single "new" doodad whatsoever - and issue a penultimate "quality of life" update that revisits and reviews what must be scads of requests that are simply tweaks, polish, fit and finish to existing areas.

And of course - improvements to things that are staring us right in the face every session - like the Browser. BUT without taking the existing structure and trying to "rebuild" it.

It just needs some TLC and thought given to the totally obvious things it can be capable of - like tagging samples, improving the Search, better filtering, customization capability etc.

Updates need not always be about "new and shiny". Sometimes real value lies in "renew and refresh" - without giving the appearance that anything was touched.

VP

[jamcat]

I’ve never once needed the browser to do anything it doesn’t already do. I couldn’t imagine what else it would need to do. It shows me my plugins by vendor, and lets me drag them to the arranger or an audio channel. If I need to manage my recordings, they’re right there in the pool. I hide the Loops, Splice, Cloud, and Shop tabs.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I’ve never once needed the browser to do anything it doesn’t already do. I couldn’t imagine what else it would need to do.

I would expect you cannot imagine what else it can do - if you do not have a sample collection, have no need for tagging, previewing, organizing or about 27 other things that the browsers in all other DAWs all do very well - and most are non-existent within S1.

Just as I have no need for scoring, lyric sheets, live shows and a whole other raft of things in there

Again - thousands of different users and thousands of different use cases. The Browser is sad for my workflow and needs a serious overhaul. Pretty sure I am not the only one.

VP

[HcDoom]

I created my own custom folders within browser and it does what I want it to do

[jamcat]

I’ve never once needed the browser to do anything it doesn’t already do. I couldn’t imagine what else it would need to do.

I would expect you cannot imagine what else it can do - if you do not have a sample collection, have no need for tagging, previewing, organizing or about 27 other things that the browsers in all other DAWs all do very well - and most are non-existent within S1.

Just as I have no need for scoring, lyric sheets, live shows and a whole other raft of things in there

Again - thousands of different users and thousands of different use cases. The Browser is sad for my workflow and needs a serious overhaul. Pretty sure I am not the only one.

VP

But have you ever considered that perhaps Studio One was purposefully designed for musicians who need scoring, lyric sheets, and live shows, and not for people who construct audio collages from recycled sample collections?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

But have you ever considered that perhaps Studio One was purposefully designed for musicians who need scoring, lyric sheets, and live shows, and not for people who construct audio collages from recycled sample collections?

If that's what you want to think - can't stop you.

I believe S1 has "purposefully" evolved to cater to all types of creatives.

FWIW - I interface with countless S1 users - week in and week out - cannot say I have ever had a discussion with anyone on lyric sheets, live shows - and maybe just a tiny handful for scoring.

But conversations about songcraft be it arrangements, samples, loops, presets, the Launcher and the like - countless discussions.

It is really not hard to see what direction the application is taking in this current v7 cycle and beyond. I know this might burn you in some small way - but it is what it is.

And that's the beauty of S1 - you can do what I do - just keep turning that stuff off that does not apply to your workflow and carry on - just like I turn off scoring, ATMOS, Lyrics, Live shows and anything else that has zero interest for me.

VP

[andypryce]

But have you ever considered that perhaps Studio One was purposefully designed for musicians who need scoring, lyric sheets, and live shows, and not for people who construct audio collages from recycled sample collections?

I guess that is why Studio One does not come with any samples nor Loops tab, or a Sampler or Splice Integration or Clip launcher.

''for people who construct audio collages from recycled sample collections?''
I wonder where you were for the past 40 years but this is not the only way to use samples.
But if not using any samples makes you feel more real musician and superior by all means have at it.
This type of bragging is seriously so stale for many years though.

[jamcat]

It's just a matter of Studio One being designed for multi-track audio recording. I think that's pretty self-evident. Everything people complain about regarding Studio One has to do with it not being designed for pre-fab loop construction production.

I moved to Studio One because it is designed for the type of work I do, and it works brilliantly for it. I AM IN THE RIGHT PLACE. YOU ARE NOT. It's not designed for the way loop producers work. Clearly. Or they wouldn't be constantly whinging and whining. They really should just f*ck off and go to Bitwig or Ableton instead of trying to hijack a DAW that is clearly not for them.