KVR Audio

electro · Post by **electro** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 8:23 pm

DMG Audio Limitless
Newfangled Audio Elevate

These two are the standard

Vortifex · Post by **Vortifex** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 8:32 pm

ramseysounds wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 5:40 pm
dolomick wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:38 pm L2 sounds like ass, just watch the Dom Sigalas review and he compares the two.
what does this even mean?

All a limiter does is brings up the audio level

I'm sure you understand that different limiters have different ways of 'bringing up the level' and therefore they will have different characteristics.

As for this, Waves Central never played nice with FL Studio in my experience but it's been a long time since I used it. I like the GUI on this. Barricade 4 is my daily driver but Ozone's Maximiser is the best loudenator on the market IMO, the downside being it has enormous latency. L4 apparently has very little. I'm tempted to try it.

mixtur.se · Post by **mixtur.se** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 9:41 pm

Emphatic3302 wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:53 pm
martinjuenke wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:49 pm Does it need iLok?
Waves have never used iLok.

They actually did and was one of the first companies to use it.
I still have renaissance bundle on my Ilok account

ramseysounds · Post by **ramseysounds** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 9:46 pm

Vortifex wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 8:32 pm
ramseysounds wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 5:40 pm
dolomick wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:38 pm L2 sounds like ass, just watch the Dom Sigalas review and he compares the two.
what does this even mean?

All a limiter does is brings up the audio level
I'm sure you understand that different limiters have different ways of 'bringing up the level' and therefore they will have different characteristics.

As for this, Waves Central never played nice with FL Studio in my experience but it's been a long time since I used it. I like the GUI on this. Barricade 4 is my daily driver but Ozone's Maximiser is the best loudenator on the market IMO, the downside being it has enormous latency. L4 apparently has very little. I'm tempted to try it.

it just makes your music louder. That’s all. That’s it. There’s no discernible difference

Puduku · Post by **Puduku** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 9:49 pm

OK, just tried the demo.

As soon as I tried to gain a few dB, it distorted the basses in a very awful way. I tried the different algos, but no luck, same results. So I adjusted the release, and the basses became clean again, but the global gain was not really impressive then. And I’m not sure if I remember well, but I don’t recall Waves adding a nasty demo noise every 6-8 seconds before. A very forgettable experience. What was I talking about already ?

DMG Audio Limitless remains my favourite.

Emphatic3302 · Post by **Emphatic3302** » Mon Sep 29, 2025 10:49 pm

Puduku wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 9:49 pm OK, just tried the demo.

As soon as I tried to gain a few dB, it distorted the basses in a very awful way. I tried the different algos, but no luck, same results. So I adjusted the release, and the basses became clean again, but the global gain was not really impressive then. And I’m not sure if I remember well, but I don’t recall Waves adding a nasty demo noise every 6-8 seconds before. A very forgettable experience. What was I talking about already ?

DMG Audio Limitless remains my favourite.

Same. I tested it against FabFilter Pro-L 2 and Ozone 12 Maximizer, and the results weren’t great.
No matter how much I adjusted the settings, I couldn’t hit the same loudness levels as those two without introducing obvious distortion.

t.o.t.s. · Post by **t.o.t.s.** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 2:56 am

Emphatic3302 wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:53 pm
martinjuenke wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:49 pm Does it need iLok?
Waves have never used iLok.

It's been a while but yes they have.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:43 am

I'm guessing some of you guys didn't read the product description or something - L4 is explicitly designed to NOT be used for loudness wars. So, if you're trying to slam your mixes the way you normally would if you're striving for maximum ear bleed, I wouldn't expect good results from it. I'm not having any of the issues you're describing. L4 is very clean and transparent, no obvious distortion, and no apparent bass issues (I'm mostly switching between the Modern and Smooth modes). I'm testing it on a modern-sounding chill house tune that goes from quiet verses to pretty lush choruses and this thing is handling it perfectly. The upward compressor is excellent for balancing the verses with the choruses and I love the Delta function for comparison. The only feature I'm not really feeling so far is the Clip control, which doesn't appear to be doing much of anything - I'm guessing it's a program-dependent thing or maybe it's just very subtle. Anyway, it's definitely worth the $50 IMO and may become my new go-to limiter, but we'll see.

electro · Post by **electro** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 5:14 am

But what is L4 offering over DMG Limitless and Newfangled Elevate? Those two plus a clipper seem to be all you need for transparent limiting. Never used TC6000 or Weiss DS-1.

Puduku · Post by **Puduku** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 5:15 am

Sorry, not about you in any way Cryophonic, but that’s like saying a knife has been designed to cut smooth things only. Well, I have several ones that have been designed to cut not only butter and jelly, but that can also cut strong stuff and won’t break.
I simply can’t see any purpose to that fragile knife as a concept. And loudness war has nothing to do with it. If the tool is less capable, why would I choose it ?

But as I said, it’s not really a direct answer to you, as you may like the plugin sound, or find a usage for it, or find it to be a better choice/value or whatever, and I can’t say anything about it.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 5:33 am

electro wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 5:14 am But what is L4 offering over DMG Limitless and Newfangled Elevate?

No idea, since I don't own either one, but I believe L4 is much cheaper than both of them if that’s a consideration. I'm sure they're both excellent limiters and maybe L4 isn't for you if you prefer them, but just because some products are great doesn't mean other products aren't also great in other ways. My main limiters for the longest time have been Pro-L and Ozone and now I also really like L4. I don't see a problem with that and I don't believe anybody in this thread has claimed that L4 is better than your favs. Demo it and see for yourself - maybe you'll like, maybe you won't, I honestly don't care and I'm not here to offer anything but my own opinion based on my own experience.

Puduku wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 5:15 am Sorry, not about you in any way Cryophonic, but that’s like saying a knife has been designed to cut smooth things only.

Yes, that would be a butter knife.

There are different tools for different jobs. L4 sounds pretty damned good on my music so far and I like the feature set. But, I get it - it's Waves and KVR will find a way to hate anything from them. I don't get hung up on that.

Puduku · Post by **Puduku** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 5:58 am

Waves Z-Noise is the very best denoiser tool ever imho. Waves Reel ADT is unmatched to me. Waves Clarity VX is brilliant.

Just saying.

woodsdenis · Post by **woodsdenis** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 6:21 am

This is a good limiter and will work very well. Whether it suits your individual workflow or performs better than your existing limiter is an imponderable that only you can decide. Waves make excellent plugins whether you like their past faux pas or not.

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 2:14 pm

electro wrote: Mon Sep 29, 2025 8:23 pm DMG Audio Limitless
Newfangled Audio Elevate

These two are the standard

Limitless is good, but I'd take Ozone Maximizer over elevate in a heartbeat. So standards are different .. we need more of them

robindrieghe · Post by **robindrieghe** » Thu Feb 19, 2026 7:21 pm

30 GB free disk space on the system drive ???
Can someone explain this?

Waves L4 - Just released, Wow!