Are wavetable synths even "musical" at all?

[KBSoundSmith]

I think people need to stop obsessing over the idea of gear sprinkling fairy dust onto their tracks and instead learn how to write a melody.

false dichotomy. f**k melody. and 'beats'.

Insert whatever musical parameter or stylistic trait you want in place of melody. No need to deliberately miss the point.

[CinningBao]

i'm not even sure music is musical anymore

[foosnark]

I thought TalkBass was mostly full of boring boomers who only play grandpa rock, but I'm starting to think some KvR folks must have been among the "Rite of Spring" rioters in 1913.

[whyterabbyt]

No need to deliberately miss the point.

No need to be humourless.

[ghettosynth]

Beans are the most musical of fruit. Am I in the right thread?

[Sonic Illusions]

Eat more beans, buy more VSTs.

[vurt]

but I'm starting to think some KvR folks must have been among the "Rite of Spring" rioters in 1913.

not to ruin the point you made, but id always been told the rioting was as you suggest, because the music was shocking to the patrons, but a couple of years ago, i was told, by someone i trust (stephen fry) that the rioting was actually due to price increases in tickets, meaning the riff raff could no longer attend as often.

[jancivil]

You might want to engage in other reading about the event.

[vurt]

You might want to engage in other reading about the event.

ive read bits, it was btought up at university a loooong time ago too. as i said, id always thought it was the music, but him saying this (on a tv show, so i assume with researchers) has put me in doubt?

[foosnark]

but I'm starting to think some KvR folks must have been among the "Rite of Spring" rioters in 1913.

not to ruin the point you made, but id always been told the rioting was as you suggest, because the music was shocking to the patrons, but a couple of years ago, i was told, by someone i trust (stephen fry) that the rioting was actually due to price increases in tickets, meaning the riff raff could no longer attend as often.

From what I've read, it was a brand new theater and an entirely upper-class crowd. There wasn't any expectation from the riff-raff. But apparently there have been rumors about it being some kind of class warfare thing, because that got addressed in an article I read on it.

Nobody called it a riot until 10 years later, but apparently there were fistfights, stuff thrown at the stage, and somebody challenged somebody else to a duel.

Apparently the choreographer and the subject matter were controversial, but it seems like most sources say the trouble didn't start until the music did. Stravinsky was popular at the time but the piece was way weirder than anything he'd previously had publicly performed.

[vurt]

but I'm starting to think some KvR folks must have been among the "Rite of Spring" rioters in 1913.

not to ruin the point you made, but id always been told the rioting was as you suggest, because the music was shocking to the patrons, but a couple of years ago, i was told, by someone i trust (stephen fry) that the rioting was actually due to price increases in tickets, meaning the riff raff could no longer attend as often.

From what I've read, it was a brand new theater and an entirely upper-class crowd. There wasn't any expectation from the riff-raff. But apparently there have been rumors about it being some kind of class warfare thing, because that got addressed in an article I read on it.

ah maybe he was discussing the rumours? i hadnt read that before, it was all about how shocked people were by the music.

[jancivil]

I'm tempted to say don't believe everything you see on TV.

For example, in response to certain choreography* the shouted remark was famously reported "Whores of the sixteenth arondissement!".
I have tried to google the phrase (as though to get it exact) but google only specified the better corners to pick up prostitutes in that area of Paris. I don't know why people would engage in fisticuffs among the audience in reaction to price increases.

(*: “The curtain opened on a group of knock-kneed and long-braided lolitas, jumping up and down. The storm broke... I went out, I said ‘go to hell’… they were very naïve and stupid people.” - Igor Stravinsky)

Then there's this: "[Contrary to popular belief] it was likely not just the shock of hearing the music, nor Nijinsky’s exotic choreography, nor Roerich’s bizarre settings that prompted the riot that ensued in the theatre. There were anti-Russian, anti-Diaghilev and anti-Nijinsky factions at work in Paris, determined to disrupt proceedings before a note of music had been heard."

There's another story, which to me begs its own questions in a big way as well as being based in a single person's arguments* that asserts the riot is a myth. (*: "Recent musicological research, notably Tamara Levitz’s “Racism at The Rite,” outright contradicts the narrative of a riot.")

In comparing the primitivism of the dance to Some dance moves had found their way into the cabaret and music hall, where they were intended as humor [...] these practices were very racist. Thus some in the audience—notably the aristocrats—responded in the way they thought they were supposed to: by laughing.

[ghettosynth]

I think that this is what someone was looking for. So musical.

[vurt]

I'm tempted to say don't believe everything you see on TV.

normally i wouldn't, but it'd stephen fry! cmon...

(probably not as well known over there i know, but he's ome of those people, who just know stuff)

[jancivil]

I've seen the name but tbh can't place it.

So far I don't implicitly trust any of the mentioned narratives. For Igor to use "lolitas" as a reference places that recollection as no earlier than 1955. Me, I was too young in 1913 to be allowed out at night.