REASON FRIGGIN ROCKS!!!

[BONES]

I have totally no idea how you came to this
this can only be the opinion of someone quite non demanding.

ReDrum: NI Battery 2 ($229) RM-F - FREE or DR 005 - FREE or Drumatic - FREE

Completely. If I wasn't using ORION I would probably do all my drums in a soundfont player or in eXT. Drums for me are just a matter of sequencing, I already have all the sounds I need.

[topaz]

oh, I thought you was offering alternatives to Reason devices, not about what you need.

[Drums for me are just a matter of sequencing, I already have all the sounds I need.

[drez]

Are you telling me that it is ALWAYS better to have more of something?

No but you said "more doesn't equal better" and then three sentences later said how many more tracks you could run in Reason, as though more suddenly did equal better.

Good point. What I was refering to was that the number of modules in a host doesn't matter to me if I don't find any of them that great. Reason has fewer, but to me are much more versatile with what you can do with some simple routing effort.

Number of tracks are important to me because I write dense stuff as well with lots of ear candy sounds...little things here and there. Track count becomes an issue for me at that point....

But, to your point, if all the tracks suck, than I just have a bunch of bad tracks

And if you don't like the generators that come with Fruity or ORION, you don't have to use them.

Then why would I buy Orion?

To use as a plugin host? That's the rub with Reason, you are stuck with it and no hope of expandablity. You have to either like it all or lump it.

I CAN expand Reason and I can do it for free. Tracktion rewires perfectly and I can expand it however I want. I don't have to even learn two Hosts. I can sequence everything in Tracktion and use Reason as a big "VSTi" like module.

You are assuming that everything else about Onion or Fruity is what everybody is looking for.

Mmmmmmm... O N I O N. You have it completely arse-about. Where Fruity or ORION are lacking you can use plugins to fill the gaps. e.g. It doesn't come with any Phase Distortion synths so I use my own. What does a Reason user do to make phase distortion sounds? Or 4-op FM? Or wavetable synthesis? etc? etc?

Sorry about that typo . If I need those things, I'd put a freeware plugin that did it in Tracktion and I'd have it.

Yes, I would, because I think that those hosts are more difficult to use than tracktion+reason. Reason is an easy concept and so is tracktion. I can work quickly in both and they do what I want.

You must love clicking your mouse to navigate around that absurd 800 pixel wide rack.

I don't think its absurd at all. Everything fits top to bottom. For me it works out really well. Instead of having crap all over the screen, it keeps it in a scrollable space that I can easily manage. With the Combinator, it makes it even more simple.

For me, doing the same thing as you for 39 dollars (purchasing EnergyXT and using Tracktion Free) and buying reason for the upgrade price is the better deal, hands down.

That reads to me as though you think I have eXT and Traktion and you have a Reason upgrade. It makes no sense to me because I don't have Traktion [I couldn't be arsed going through the registration process].

You were pointing out that you could do all this stuff for 100 bucks. I said that for a tiny bit more, I can do the same thing and have a rack full of Low Processor/great sounding synths by getting Reason+Tracktion+eXT. I thought you were implying that "if you started from scratch". In that case, the money is not much different in what you described and what I described, except I get to use Reason AND have the exact same VST's and Recording ability.

[drez]

For me, doing the same thing as you for 39 dollars (purchasing EnergyXT and using Tracktion Free) and buying reason for the upgrade price is the better deal, hands down.

yes, but if you want your hands at desk hight so that you can actually do some work in it, it's not such a good deal





just kidding

Unless I was sitting upside down.

[ouroboros]

BONES, where did you get your drums sounds? I don't ask in relationship to the thread, just looking to source more good drums if at all possible.

Stopped reading around p.5, but Has anyone mentioned the CM stuff? I mean for 15$, and a magazine full of ads you can't buy from in the US, you get a load of decent plugs:
ds-404: muon sampler
sr-202: quick drum sampler
cm-505: Linplug drum synth
cm-303: muon tau/303 thing
Fruity Vocoder
ohmygod: resonant comb filter
cm-101: nice subtractive synth.
generally some samples
Muzys (if you like heartbreak)

Everymonth.

[headquest]

You must love clicking your mouse to navigate around that absurd 800 pixel wide rack.

Most VSTs are less than 800 pixels wide

[BONES]

Maybe, but mixers can get a lot wider than that and outside Reason you have the option of laying things out side-by-side to make better use of available screen space.

[headquest]

I CAN expand Reason and I can do it for free. Tracktion rewires perfectly and I can expand it however I want. I don't have to even learn two Hosts. I can sequence everything in Tracktion and use Reason as a big "VSTi" like module.

That's exactly what I do - and very successfully it works, too.

Couple of points tho' -

1] Tracktion isn't available for free anymore - that was a short-term offer that ended on 31/12/04. Sorry!

2] The exception to the workflow you describe is that I sequence all things ReDrum in Reason because of the drum lanes. It's a breeze to use ReDrum's own pattern sequencer, copy the pattern to the sequencer and edit in the drum lanes.
It's been confirmed that T2 will not have drum lanes, so I guess that part of the process won't be changing for me yet.

[headquest]

Maybe, but mixers can get a lot wider than that and outside Reason you have the option of laying things out side-by-side to make better use of available screen space.

I tend not to mix in Reason anyway - if I do a song basically in Reason I reWire the devices via the hardware interface directly into Adobe Audition for mixing and mastering.

Alternatively I use Reason within a bigger project in Tracktion - again I do the mixing in Tracktion for that.

I think a lot of people use Reason basically as a rack of instruments (and effects) rather than as a self-contained program, even if it *can* be used that way. If I had to go down to one program it wouldn't be Reason... but thank goodness I don't have to do that

[BONES]

oh, I thought you was offering alternatives to Reason devices, not about what you need.

I was, but you asked about something else and I'm sure that, given the enormous number of options when it comes to drums, that you could do it however you liked and get the results you needed in freeware even though individual plugins may not match feature-for-feature.

[BONES]

I tend not to mix in Reason anyway - if I do a song basically in Reason I reWire the devices via the hardware interface directly into Adobe Audition for mixing and mastering.

Which was what I started out with. My original point was that putting a suite of mastering plugins into Reason didn't make sense, given it's limitations, and that the dev's time could have been better spent elsewhere. Sheesh!

[headquest]

I tend not to mix in Reason anyway - if I do a song basically in Reason I reWire the devices via the hardware interface directly into Adobe Audition for mixing and mastering.

Which was what I started out with. My original point was that putting a suite of mastering plugins into Reason didn't make sense, given it's limitations, and that the dev's time could have been better spent elsewhere. Sheesh!

Yeah, that was my first thought, but I think Reason could actually now serve a whole different stand-alone role - even for "non-Reason" tracks...

...namely, MClass is so good that it compares favourably with plugs like TrackS, Ozone, etc...

...so you could take a .wav recorded in any application you can to use, but lets say eXT or Tracktion for example and feed it straight into NN-XT - with no intention of doing any sequencing, etc within Reason at all - but simply feed the .wav into MClass as a full-on mastering solution.

We're talking real class with this new device, and I think people who have Reason 3.0 may use it as a mastering suite even for stuff they produce elsewhere.

[nuffink]

We're talking real class with this new device, and I think people who have Reason 3.0 may use it as a mastering suite even for stuff they produce elsewhere.

I don't.

[headquest]

...PS,

in your earlier post where you responded to my list, I don't think you really provided a viable freeware mastering solution. I love the digitalfishphones stuff and have the lot, and likewise I use Kjaerhus Master Limiter on occasion, but they hardly compare with prper mastering software. You need tools with far greater analysis and precision to do a decent job in my view/experience

[headquest]

We're talking real class with this new device, and I think people who have Reason 3.0 may use it as a mastering suite even for stuff they produce elsewhere.

I don't.

well, depending whatg else they have, of course