E-MU 1616m, 1212m, 1820m, 0404 Audio Interface - Complete Windows 10 (1903 & Above) Installation Guide

[Aero312]

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[Aero312]

Interesting. Are you using VST3 or VST2?

I always use VST3 over VST2 when available. No troubles with opening the 64-bit plugin, changing a parameter, and then closing it, even during playback. Crashing may have been due to some conflict in an earlier version of Windows or REAPER.

[MukerBude]

Hi forum.

I'm Peter from MukerBude.de (20 years young Internet-Magazin) from Cologne Germany.

In my homerecording Studio i use the fantastic soundinterface E-MU 1616m, since many years under Windows 7 pro 64.
It worked allways perfect!

Now, i change my Computer to Windows 11 pro 24H2 Version.

To install the driver new, i use the info from Sherwoodsound in these post.
I doe it exactly step by step, but it don't run.

The installation routine is for Win 10 1903. I have win 11 24H2. Make this the difference, why the Interface don't work?

My question ist:
What can i do, to run the E-MU 1616m under Windows 11 24H2?

Sorry, for my broken English,
and thanks for your answers.

Peter from MukerBude.de

[tobra]

Hi forum.

I'm Peter from MukerBude.de (20 years young Internet-Magazin) from Cologne Germany.

In my homerecording Studio i use the fantastic soundinterface E-MU 1616m, since many years under Windows 7 pro 64.
It worked allways perfect!

Now, i change my Computer to Windows 11 pro 24H2 Version.

To install the driver new, i use the info from Sherwoodsound in these post.
I doe it exactly step by step, but it don't run.

The installation routine is for Win 10 1903. I have win 11 24H2. Make this the difference, why the Interface don't work?

My question ist:
What can i do, to run the E-MU 1616m under Windows 11 24H2?

Sorry, for my broken English,
and thanks for your answers.

Peter from MukerBude.de

You must follow the procedure as described. Also works on Windows Pro 11 x64 version: 24H2 My computer has the same version of Windows and the sound card works, I have an E-MU1616M PCI-e.

[sorinara]

Hello. I’m based in South Korea. Using the information you shared, I successfully completed the setup, though I had a few variables in my case, so I’m sharing this for reference.

I’ve been using the 1212M PCI-e card with Windows 7, and recently upgraded to Windows 10. Thankfully, my system stopped at the 1903 update for unknown reasons.

I installed the beta version of the driver you uploaded without issues. However, when I tried installing the PatchMix program included with it, I encountered errors.

So, I installed only the PatchMix program using a version I previously downloaded from EMU specifically for the 1212M PCI-e, and confirmed that it works properly.

Both PatchMix programs have the same name, but there seems to be a difference internally—I’m not sure what that is.

For those who are having trouble, don’t give up. Install the driver as instructed above, but try using the PatchMix program you’ve used before—it might work.

[isamu99]

Hi guys it's good to be here. I'm so glad to discover this thread. I had no idea it's still possible to use our E-MU 1616 sound cards on modern operating systems. I'm running Windows 10 and I'm VERY eager to jump on this and try it as soon as possible. However, I need your help....I have the PCMCIA version of the 1616M card, and unfortunately my laptop doesn't have a PCMCIA slot or a pcie slot(as most don't nowadays).

Can you PLEASE help me find any sort of pcmcia to usb adapter that is compatible with these types of sound cards? All the pcmcia>usb adapters that I've found so far, are just pcmcia memory card readers unfortunately. I need one that will work with my 1616m card. I'd appreciate if one of you could point me in the right direction.

[planetearth]

Hi guys it's good to be here. I'm so glad to discover this thread. I had no idea it's still possible to use our E-MU 1616 sound cards on modern operating systems. I'm running Windows 10 and I'm VERY eager to jump on this and try it as soon as possible. However, I need your help....I have the PCMCIA version of the 1616M card, and unfortunately my laptop doesn't have a PCMCIA slot or a pcie slot(as most don't nowadays).

Can you PLEASE help me find any sort of pcmcia to usb adapter that is compatible with these types of sound cards? All the pcmcia>usb adapters that I've found so far, are just pcmcia memory card readers unfortunately. I need one that will work with my 1616m card. I'd appreciate if one of you could point me in the right direction.

There are two threads dedicated to keeping the E-MU cards running on modern hardware. You're in one of them. The other is this one: viewtopic.php?t=371831. One (if not both) has posts from people who've done what you're trying to do. I don't remember which PCMCIA-to-PCIe adapter they used, but that might be noted in some of the posts. (I have seen PCIe slot adapters for PCMCIA cards on Amazon, ranging from $25 to $46 or so.)

I suggest you open each of these threads in a new tab and do a search for "PCMCIA" and see what pops up. I saw quite a few responses about using a PCMCIA card, but I didn't read them all. (If you're thorough, you might even see a response from me saying how I doubted it could be done. I was pleasantly proved wrong!)

Steve

[isamu99]

Hi guys it's good to be here. I'm so glad to discover this thread. I had no idea it's still possible to use our E-MU 1616 sound cards on modern operating systems. I'm running Windows 10 and I'm VERY eager to jump on this and try it as soon as possible. However, I need your help....I have the PCMCIA version of the 1616M card, and unfortunately my laptop doesn't have a PCMCIA slot or a pcie slot(as most don't nowadays).

Can you PLEASE help me find any sort of pcmcia to usb adapter that is compatible with these types of sound cards? All the pcmcia>usb adapters that I've found so far, are just pcmcia memory card readers unfortunately. I need one that will work with my 1616m card. I'd appreciate if one of you could point me in the right direction.

There are two threads dedicated to keeping the E-MU cards running on modern hardware. You're in one of them. The other is this one: viewtopic.php?t=371831. One (if not both) has posts from people who've done what you're trying to do. I don't remember which PCMCIA-to-PCIe adapter they used, but that might be noted in some of the posts. (I have seen PCIe slot adapters for PCMCIA cards on Amazon, ranging from $25 to $46 or so.)

I suggest you open each of these threads in a new tab and do a search for "PCMCIA" and see what pops up. I saw quite a few responses about using a PCMCIA card, but I didn't read them all. (If you're thorough, you might even see a response from me saying how I doubted it could be done. I was pleasantly proved wrong!)

Steve

Hello, Steve, and thank you for the reply. Yes, I did search around both threads and yes, I did see people mention the PCMCIA to PCIE adapter.

Unfortunately, I am running on a laptop that does not have a PCI or pcie slot, so I'm limited to USB. Unless you know of some sort of PCIE to USB adapter, perhaps I can run the PCMCIA card into the PCIE adapter, and then the PCIE adapter into USB? Please let me know.

[planetearth]

Hi guys it's good to be here. I'm so glad to discover this thread. I had no idea it's still possible to use our E-MU 1616 sound cards on modern operating systems. I'm running Windows 10 and I'm VERY eager to jump on this and try it as soon as possible. However, I need your help....I have the PCMCIA version of the 1616M card, and unfortunately my laptop doesn't have a PCMCIA slot or a pcie slot(as most don't nowadays).

Can you PLEASE help me find any sort of pcmcia to usb adapter that is compatible with these types of sound cards? All the pcmcia>usb adapters that I've found so far, are just pcmcia memory card readers unfortunately. I need one that will work with my 1616m card. I'd appreciate if one of you could point me in the right direction.

There are two threads dedicated to keeping the E-MU cards running on modern hardware. You're in one of them. The other is this one: viewtopic.php?t=371831. One (if not both) has posts from people who've done what you're trying to do. I don't remember which PCMCIA-to-PCIe adapter they used, but that might be noted in some of the posts. (I have seen PCIe slot adapters for PCMCIA cards on Amazon, ranging from $25 to $46 or so.)

I suggest you open each of these threads in a new tab and do a search for "PCMCIA" and see what pops up. I saw quite a few responses about using a PCMCIA card, but I didn't read them all. (If you're thorough, you might even see a response from me saying how I doubted it could be done. I was pleasantly proved wrong!)

Steve

Hello, Steve, and thank you for the reply. Yes, I did search around both threads and yes, I did see people mention the PCMCIA to PCIE adapter.

Unfortunately, I am running on a laptop that does not have a PCI or pcie slot, so I'm limited to USB. Unless you know of some sort of PCIE to USB adapter, perhaps I can run the PCMCIA card into the PCIE adapter, and then the PCIE adapter into USB? Please let me know.

Oh, sorry—I don't know how I missed that! I was in such a hurry to provide an answer before my phone battery died that I completely missed your actual issue.

I did a quick search for help with your issue...and found a Gearspace post from almost exactly 5 years ago, where someone had asked basically the same thing you did. That's the one I replied to. And unfortunately, no one else responded to that post.

https://gearspace.com/board/music-compu ... 1616m.html

Have you actually tried one of the PC-Card-to-USB adapters, to see what shows up in Device Manager in Windows? All the ones I've seen on Amazon offer free returns if they don't work for you. Re-reading your post, you say "All the pcmcia>usb adapters that I've found so far, are just pcmcia memory card readers...", but I don't know if you're going by what the description of the item says, or what you've actually experienced when trying to use one.

I believe I saw a PCMCIA-to-USB adapter years ago that would pretty much do what you want. It could host more than just CF memory cards. Unfortunately, that was close to 20 years ago, and since PCMCIA wasn't really out for long (and was pretty much limited to laptops), I don't think many of these things were made.

I will keep looking for something that might help you, but if you haven't actually tried one of the PCMCIA-to-USB adapters, it might be worth spending a couple of bucks to see what happens with one. I have no doubt you'd get your money back from Amazon.

Steve

[isamu99]

Oh, sorry—I don't know how I missed that! I was in such a hurry to provide an answer before my phone battery died that I completely missed your actual issue.

I did a quick search for help with your issue...and found a Gearspace post from almost exactly 5 years ago, where someone had asked basically the same thing you did. That's the one I replied to. And unfortunately, no one else responded to that post.

https://gearspace.com/board/music-compu ... 1616m.html

Have you actually tried one of the PC-Card-to-USB adapters, to see what shows up in Device Manager in Windows? All the ones I've seen on Amazon offer free returns if they don't work for you. Re-reading your post, you say "All the pcmcia>usb adapters that I've found so far, are just pcmcia memory card readers...", but I don't know if you're going by what the description of the item says, or what you've actually experienced when trying to use one.

I believe I saw a PCMCIA-to-USB adapter years ago that would pretty much do what you want. It could host more than just CF memory cards. Unfortunately, that was close to 20 years ago, and since PCMCIA wasn't really out for long (and was pretty much limited to laptops), I don't think many of these things were made.

I will keep looking for something that might help you, but if you haven't actually tried one of the PCMCIA-to-USB adapters, it might be worth spending a couple of bucks to see what happens with one. I have no doubt you'd get your money back from Amazon.

Steve

Thanks buddy. Yeah, I guess it might be worth taking a chance on one of those usb adapters on Amazon. The reason I hesitated is because one guy on there complained and says all the ones showing up on Amazon are simply memory card readers. And there's another guy on reddit that said he tried a few and couldn't find one that's compatible with pcmcia soundcards. Hopefully someone else can chime in and let us know if there's actually a pcmcia>usb adapter that actually works and is fully compatible with the e-mu series of pcmcia cards. Would be GREATLY appreciated.

[planetearth]

Like other companies at the time, Creative Labs made PCMCIA fax/modem devices. But they also made the PCMCIA SoundBlaster. And they owned E-MU. All the pieces of the puzzle are right there…just not all at the same time.

It’d be a damn shame if someone didn’t try to salvage the PCMCIA SoundBlaster when USB started to take over—especially since the SoundBlaster cards were close to $100, if I recall correctly.

If you’re going to try an adapter from Amazon, why not try one like this?
https://a.co/d/46ywGxA

It accepts more than just memory cards. I’m probably 22% sure that that might mean it could work with the E-MU. (Erm…make that 20% sure. No, 18. Make that 18% sure.)

As I mentioned, I do believe what you need now existed at one time. But it was a long time ago (in computer years), and quite a niche product. I’ve been scouring eBay, and while I’ve found a PCMCIA-to-PCI adapter, it obviously doesn’t help you. (Of course, there are PCI-to-USB adapters, where you plug the PCI card into a slot housed in a small box. But I seriously doubt that would work for you, since it’s two steps/two adapters removed from what you actually need.)

I’ll keep looking….

Steve

[isamu99]

I appreciate your help man. But yeah, unfortunately all those. including the one you linked to are all for data transfer only. There's a comment from a couple different guys for the other similar cards that pretty much confirm it. I mean I could take a chance and buy one, but I feel like I'd be wasting my time honestly. I'd prefer to see one that doesn't say reader or data transfer before committing to buying it. I get the feeling it may exist, but it's probably a niche product like you said.

Worst case scenario, I could grab a PCI version of the 1616M and look for a PCI > USB adapter? But I only wanna go that route as a last resort.

[pwhodges]

I installed this patch to get my PCIe 1616m going again in Windows 10; it worked fine.

After I updated to Windows 11 I had to do it again, and it worked fine.

But I am now running Windows 11 version 23H2 - why? - because any attempt to install the feature updates to 24H2 or 25H2 using Windows Update fails. They are blocked by "an incompatible driver", and Windows Update automatically rolls back. I can install those versions fresh, which loses the patched driver, but if I patch the driver again, Windows 11 will no longer boot, and I have to manually roll back to 23H2.

Has anyone else been able to keep their 1616m working in a version of Windows 11 later than 23H2?

Paul

[parapentep70]

I installed this patch to get my PCIe 1616m going again in Windows 10; it worked fine.

After I updated to Windows 11 I had to do it again, and it worked fine.

But I am now running Windows 11 version 23H2 - why? - because any attempt to install the feature updates to 24H2 or 25H2 using Windows Update fails. They are blocked by "an incompatible driver", and Windows Update automatically rolls back. I can install those versions fresh, which loses the patched driver, but if I patch the driver again, Windows 11 will no longer boot, and I have to manually roll back to 23H2.

Has anyone else been able to keep their 1616m working in a version of Windows 11 later than 23H2?

Paul

Also interested. Is it possible to run EMU 1820 in latest W11 ? (I am running mine in latest W10, with new power supply capacitors and everything works SO well!). Any experience?

[isamu99]

Does anyone know if there is a way to make the 1616M break out dock useful at all? For example are there any third party (ie not from E-MU)sound cards or usb audio interfaces that would work with it? Maybe some kind of a hack or something?