KVR Audio

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:57 am

I just chuck my rendered .wav's into CE2k and use the same Wave Hammer preset and my mastered tracks compare very well with the 1000 euro job the label had done from separate 4xstereo renders that took me ages. In ORION I use PSP MixSaturator [$29], Dominion and Endorphin and I am more than happy with the results.

Taking full tracks into a sampler for mastering just seems like a ridiculous effort to go to, like I used to do with my hardware because the alternative was thousands of dollars for an incremeantal improvement and I could never justify it. Comes back to my point about having to try so hard to do straightforward things. That's what I like about ORION, everything is so straightforward, right in front of you and it requires the minimum amount of effort to get things done.

ouroboros, I have collected them from all sorts of places over the years. My kicks mostly come from Fruity, back when it had all those precalculated effects that were great for really f**king things up [I think it's still there, just hidden away]. I would just start with one of their samples and mangle it until I was happy. I made a few loops like that too. I use a lot of sounds straight out of HammerHead, mostly with it's distortion applied - especially hats and cymbals but also snares. The rest have come from grabbing hits and loops from the likes of Front242 and Nitzer Ebb and running them through various kinds of distortion in ORION and/or CE2k.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:06 am

BONES wrote:Taking full tracks into a sampler for mastering just seems like a ridiculous effort to go to.

I'd never considered it before (I own Audition, so why would I?) but in fact it's surprisingly easy. In NN-XT you click on the folder icon, browse to the .wav and hit open. Check the root note, drag a single note out accross the sequencer lane and you're there. Takes less than a minute.

Opening a .wav in a standalone mastering application or waiting for Audition to read it in is not so different, and time wise I don't think there's much in it.

You made a good general point about keeping things simple though - I like that! Anyways I'm logging off for now but we'll no doubt chat about this some other time

drez · Post by **drez** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:34 am

BONES wrote:
headquest wrote:I tend not to mix in Reason anyway - if I do a song basically in Reason I reWire the devices via the hardware interface directly into Adobe Audition for mixing and mastering.
Which was what I started out with. My original point was that putting a suite of mastering plugins into Reason didn't make sense, given it's limitations, and that the dev's time could have been better spent elsewhere. Sheesh!

I definitely won't be using them for mastering only. They will be used as inserts all over the place. I think that they called them "master whatever" for marketing and to maybe help the beginner out to help them get a better sounding mix out of the gate. The compressor is awesome and it will be used on individual channels, not just the final mix. Same with the spreader and EQ. The "mastering" name is definitely misleading.

drez · Post by **drez** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:36 am

headquest wrote: 1] Tracktion isn't available for free anymore - that was a short-term offer that ended on 31/12/04. Sorry!

I just figured everyone would have downloaded it. It was free, fer cripes sake! People will knock each other down for free software around here

I already own it, but pretty much use Live4 now. Definitely waiting to see what T2 has to offer tho.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:22 am

BONES wrote: Taking full tracks into a sampler for mastering just seems like a ridiculous effort to go to, like I used to do with my hardware because the alternative was thousands of dollars for an incremeantal improvement and I could never justify it. Comes back to my point about having to try so hard to do straightforward things. That's what I like about ORION, everything is so straightforward, right in front of you and it requires the minimum amount of effort to get things done.

Bones for someone who likes to get things done, you sure make heavy use of the tedious task of using bold and italics

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:48 am

ALT+B - bold
ALT+I - italics
ALT+U - underline

It requires no effort at all when typing.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:59 am

BONES wrote:ALT+B - bold
ALT+I - italics
ALT+U - underline

It requires no effort at all when typing.

someone's going

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:00 pm

drez wrote:
headquest wrote: 1] Tracktion isn't available for free anymore - that was a short-term offer that ended on 31/12/04. Sorry!
I just figured everyone would have downloaded it. It was free, fer cripes sake! People will knock each other down for free software around here

I already own it, but pretty much use Live4 now. Definitely waiting to see what T2 has to offer tho.

If you're quick I believe you can still get it here..

Don't ask me why Tape Op are running the offer two weeks longer than anyone else, but it seems to be the case..

REASON FRIGGIN ROCKS!!!