KVR Audio

VIOLETO · Post by **VIOLETO** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 8:27 am

In fact, they've already released a demo, you can check it out for yourself here.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 8:29 am

...and that's already in the first post...

Digivolt · Post by **Digivolt** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 11:17 am

It feels like it's JP-8xxx season

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:04 pm

Reminds me of this Reaktor Ensemble.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... /show/7075

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:05 pm

first there is none, now there are more coming

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Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:06 pm

tumface wrote: Fri Oct 10, 2025 1:57 am
jwalkermed wrote: Thu Oct 09, 2025 11:15 pm I want Roland to release a 1:1 VST copy of the jp I can buy and then we will have the discussion about what is legal or ethical.
Not only is it ethical, it's settled law (in the United States and every other country) that emulators themselves are legal. There's nothing left to discuss.

Are you sure and do you have citations?

"Software emulations of hardware synths are generally legal if they are built by creating an original code that mimics the function of the hardware, rather than copying its proprietary code. It becomes illegal if the software uses copyrighted code, such as the ROM or firmware from the original hardware, without permission from the manufacturer. Emulators that require the user to provide the original ROM files are legal if the user legally owns the hardware, but distributing these ROMs is illegal".

At any rate the JP-8080 has certainly been bettered by numerous plugins already so I don't think risking illegal or unethical activity is worth discussing and there was a time where such discussions would not be allowed at KVR.

If Roland were to take legal action against anyone violating their intellectual property rights it's not hard to imagine they may take action against any online forum that allows the support of same.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:24 pm

I don't think Roland will take issue. I won't say why. I'm pretty sure they won't.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:37 pm

osiris wrote: Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:24 pm I don't think Roland will take issue. I won't say why. I'm pretty sure they won't.

That's an unsubstantiated claim not backed up by evidence. If you have such evidence then please share.

I'm not saying Roland will take action only that it's a possibility based on:

"Roland has recently been involved in legal action against inMusic Brands, the parent company of Alesis, for infringing on patents related to its electronic drum kits. While a jury initially awarded Roland over $4.6 million in damages in 2022, an appeals court later vacated the damages award and ordered a new trial on damages, while upholding the finding of infringement. The case continues, with the court affirming that several of Roland's patents were infringed upon by inMusic's products"

And........

"To safeguard Roland's quality and brand, the distinctive design and appearance of Roland products and their incorporation of Roland digital sounds are protected under the appropriate trade dress, trademark, and copyright laws. In addition, as a leader in technology, Roland has also devoted great efforts to assure that its innovative products are also covered under the applicable patent laws as well".

https://www.roland.com/global/sustainab ... _property/

My point is I don't think the 8080 is a synth worth risking legal action over in 2025 considering all the great synths we have at our disposal which surpass it in quality and range of sounds. I certainly wouldn't compromise my ethics to use an unauthorised emulation of the 8080.

Again such discussions would have not been allowed at KVR in years gone by and it's my opinion that this discussion should probably not be allowed either. But that's just my opinion which counts for absolutely nothing and since I have fully expressed that opinion I see no need for further discussion.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:43 pm

I can't share. But come to Discord and you can share to.

tumface · Post by **tumface** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 1:35 pm

Teksonik wrote: Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:06 pm Are you sure and do you have citations?

I am 100% sure. It's settled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Comp ... ectix_Corp.

Not only are emulators legal themselves, the protection for them stronger: you can even use someone else's copyrighted code to develop them, as long as you don't distribute the copyrighted material with the emulator. This has been tested by much larger, wealthier, angrier, and more determined companies than Roland, and they lost.

I write emulators professionally in my job.

Matt67 · Post by **Matt67** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 2:14 pm

My problem is that I can probably use the plugin legally, but not the firmware. At least if I don't have the original. And I'm pretty sure that's the case here. It was the same with the other Usual Suspects emulators. The products are great. But only for people who own the hardware. What good is a car to me if I'm not allowed to use the engine?

anoise · Post by **anoise** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 2:15 pm

Impressive!
2025, the year of the JP-8000 and its clones: Arturia's Jup-8000 V, CHRO-NYX: JP-8080, soon(?) Adam's version, and JE-8086, the real deal.

Markus Krause · Post by **Markus Krause** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 3:18 pm

osiris wrote: Fri Oct 10, 2025 12:24 pm I don't think Roland will take issue. I won't say why. I'm pretty sure they won't.

Fact is: Back in the year 2004 JunoX was removed from the market.
Roland's lawyers had taken action against reFX. Reason: The 'look and feel' of the product and the 'name' would be too similar. JunoX was replaced with Vanguard.

mi-os · Post by **mi-os** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 3:42 pm

Matt67 wrote: Fri Oct 10, 2025 2:14 pm My problem is that I can probably use the plugin legally, but not the firmware. At least if I don't have the original. And I'm pretty sure that's the case here. It was the same with the other Usual Suspects emulators. The products are great. But only for people who own the hardware. What good is a car to me if I'm not allowed to use the engine?

Stop whining and get one of the emulations. Done.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Fri Oct 10, 2025 3:56 pm

Here's what I CAN tell you. It's still in Beta.
Roland may (or may not) have been involved.
You may (or may not) have to download the firmware from Roland. But I don't know if you will have to subscribe to the Cloud and have asked this question on the forum but not got an answer.
So, there is a possibility that this will not be free, but my personal opinion is that this should be a VST and Roland would make tons more money by not tying it to the Cloud. But, since audio devs are taking the drug dealer route, and offering tastes for their endless monthly subscriptions, who knows?
Does it make you mad? Does it make you mean mad?

The Usual Suspects Announce Roland JP-8080 Emulator (The Real Deal)