Damn it B, why?

[kritikon]

Not surprised. I suppose we'll see. I would be willing to bet, at some point, that the clones will start to fall off some as people come to the same realization that many of us who at one point owned many originals did. That is, the legend that lives in your mind before you get the synth comes out as something of a bit of the same flavor as all of the other synths after a while.

That's not to say that there cannot be important circuit or architectural differences, only that the effect of such differences has to be weighed against the budget.

With originals, there will always be collectors. The clones, less so.

The VCS looks expensive to produce and is very out of touch in a modern world. I would guess that the demand isn't as widespread as some would like to believe. It's musical strengths are largely its technical weakness.

Probably a lot of truth in that. I was as guilty as everyone else with the 2600, lusting after one just because it was mythical. Never actually used one obviously, as didn't most other people. So when I greedily got one as soon as it came out, my overarching thoughts were...meh . It's mostly not anything special apart from one or two features you don't get on mainstream synths. It's iconic status was 90% myth purely because the average punter never actually used one.

So I strongly suspect the VCS3 is similar - I likely won't have a fkn clue how to actually use one, but it's still an icon precisely because only 7 people ever had them, and it's wot made a famous Floyd song. But probably won't be useful for me making doof doof banging techno, or rubadub stylee or any kind of reese or supersaw.

Anyway - I still want one and am perfectly prepared to be disappointed. It looks good if nothing else. And I won't trust rumours any more than I trust Behringer. They manage to keep some stuff surprisingly close to their chests, and Uli is capricious and ornery enough to fool people and we find VCS3 is released the week after all the rumours of it being closed down. But yeah, I think the market for it might be less than some think. Whereas they'll sell truckloads of Jupiters/Junos without any doubt. Can I live without a VCS3 but with a 16-voice Jupiter? Hell yeah

[Uncle E]

I was as guilty as everyone else with the 2600, lusting after one just because it was mythical. Never actually used one obviously, as didn't most other people. So when I greedily got one as soon as it came out, my overarching thoughts were...meh . It's mostly not anything special apart from one or two features you don't get on mainstream synths. It's iconic status was 90% myth purely because the average punter never actually used one.

I owned two real 2600's and thought they were meh. Got them in a trade and sold them as quickly as possible.

With that said, if B were as inaccurate with the 2600 as they were with the Odyssey, it doesn't sound like the real thing. Personally, I would probably even like it better (just as I do with their Odyssey).

[vurt]

Not surprised. I suppose we'll see. I would be willing to bet, at some point, that the clones will start to fall off some as people come to the same realization that many of us who at one point owned many originals did. That is, the legend that lives in your mind before you get the synth comes out as something of a bit of the same flavor as all of the other synths after a while.

That's not to say that there cannot be important circuit or architectural differences, only that the effect of such differences has to be weighed against the budget.

With originals, there will always be collectors. The clones, less so.

The VCS looks expensive to produce and is very out of touch in a modern world. I would guess that the demand isn't as widespread as some would like to believe. It's musical strengths are largely its technical weakness.

Probably a lot of truth in that. I was as guilty as everyone else with the 2600, lusting after one just because it was mythical. Never actually used one obviously, as didn't most other people. So when I greedily got one as soon as it came out, my overarching thoughts were...meh . It's mostly not anything special apart from one or two features you don't get on mainstream synths. It's iconic status was 90% myth purely because the average punter never actually used one.

So I strongly suspect the VCS3 is similar - I likely won't have a fkn clue how to actually use one, but it's still an icon precisely because only 7 people ever had them, and it's wot made a famous Floyd song. But probably won't be useful for me making doof doof banging techno, or rubadub stylee or any kind of reese or supersaw.

Anyway - I still want one and am perfectly prepared to be disappointed. It looks good if nothing else. And I won't trust rumours any more than I trust Behringer. They manage to keep some stuff surprisingly close to their chests, and Uli is capricious and ornery enough to fool people and we find VCS3 is released the week after all the rumours of it being closed down. But yeah, I think the market for it might be less than some think. Whereas they'll sell truckloads of Jupiters/Junos without any doubt. Can I live without a VCS3 but with a 16-voice Jupiter? Hell yeah

you both miss the point.
aside from buchla gear, it's the most "looks like a space ship control from a 70s b movie". that's why we want them.

[kritikon]

Agree, but they need to make it light up as well. What use is a spaceship control if it doesn't flash prettily? They got that right with the 2600...best part of it if I'm honest. I get more use from it in a dark studio than when I can actually see what I'm doing with it.

[mztk]

yeh i'm a bit meh'd by the 2600. too large for what it actually does. alternatively, get a string of 20 multicolour fairy lights from the pound shop for 99p.

[Constructed Identity]

Damn it B, stop coming out with synths that originally came out 50 YEARS AGO and nowadays are just meh.

[ghettosynth]

yeh i'm a bit meh'd by the 2600. too large for what it actually does. alternatively, get a string of 20 multicolour fairy lights from the pound shop for 99p.

So I think that what the 2600 is good at being is a semi-modular synth. I think that the fantasy comes in expecting that the components themselves will somehow be so much more amazing than other synths.

At the present time, if you don't have a modular, and, you want to patch quickly, and you want to go a more classical way than the high-digital-density Eurorack of today, then it's a great entry point. It's also faster than fully modular synths for patching sounds that mostly use the default routing path.

[lfm]

Damn it B, stop coming out with synths that originally came out 50 YEARS AGO and nowadays are just meh.

...and yet some of us have some curiosity over JT-16(Jupiter) if it ever is released.
- probably extended with modern stuff like mod matrix like DeepMind

There is a reunion concert with Howard Jones that has a retro part and then two parts with levels of more modern stuff, I think Novations and such.
- the retro part with Jupiter 8, a Juno-60 and two Moog Prodigy outshines the rest as sound goes

[D-Fusion]

Damn it B, stop coming out with synths that originally came out 50 YEARS AGO and nowadays are just meh.

...and yet some of us have some curiosity over JT-16(Jupiter) if it ever is released.
- probably extended with modern stuff like mod matrix like DeepMind

There is a reunion concert with Howard Jones that has a retro part and then two parts with levels of more modern stuff, I think Novations and such.
- the retro part with Jupiter 8, a Juno-60 and two Moog Prodigy outshines the rest as sound goes

That was 17.years ago.
This is his tour setup 13. Years ago

Some people Ride the Nostalgia Train while the Oldtimers use what they find to be the easiest to use that gives them the sound they need for the songs and they don't care if it is Digital or analog.

[mztk]

yeh i'm a bit meh'd by the 2600. too large for what it actually does. alternatively, get a string of 20 multicolour fairy lights from the pound shop for 99p.

So I think that what the 2600 is good at being is a semi-modular synth. I think that the fantasy comes in expecting that the components themselves will somehow be so much more amazing than other synths.

At the present time, if you don't have a modular, and, you want to patch quickly, and you want to go a more classical way than the high-digital-density Eurorack of today, then it's a great entry point. It's also faster than fully modular synths for patching sounds that mostly use the default routing path.

yeh i overstated that a bit i'm pleased to have it, and still need to spend a lot more time. couldn't help being amused by the LED string i found in the pound shop
great re-design as an 8U unit with the connector recess. it's just the size of it that is a bit disrupting. i'm making a little autonomous cabinet.

[kritikon]

I did that with mine - made a little wooden angled upright stand to rack it in. Was good fun honing my carpentry skills, but took me several times to get it right. I reckon the MS20 got it right in terms of angle and design for the control, so I made the 2600 rack the same angle as the MS20. TBH everything else on the MS20 is also better, so I use that instead

It's odd B didn't make a dedicated stand/rack for the 2600, as they released various Eurorack holders and those angled triple stands for their units like Wasp, Pro1, K2 etc which I really like.

Damnit B! Why don't you make a dedicated stand for your meh synths that I don't use? Might make them a little less meh.

[Constructed Identity]

Damn it B, stop coming out with synths that originally came out 50 YEARS AGO and nowadays are just meh.

...and yet some of us have some curiosity over JT-16(Jupiter) if it ever is released.
- probably extended with modern stuff like mod matrix like DeepMind

There is a reunion concert with Howard Jones that has a retro part and then two parts with levels of more modern stuff, I think Novations and such.
- the retro part with Jupiter 8, a Juno-60 and two Moog Prodigy outshines the rest as sound goes

Nostalgia is a drug similar to crack. I try to stay away, but YouTube is a pusher and I can’t say I’m clean. It horrifies me how many people still listen to bands from the 1980s or people in bands from the 1980s. I rented a room in a house with a guy who still listened to the lead guy from Men At Work and I couldn’t believe he still was performing and people still wanted to hear it in this day and age. WTF! Let the past go.

[seafire]

So you should only listen to new music?

f**k that, gimme the 80s any day

[Uncle E]

I rented a room in a house with a guy who still listened to the lead guy from Men At Work and I couldn’t believe he still was performing and people still wanted to hear it in this day and age.

He just smiled and gave you a Vegemite sandwich?

[kritikon]

It seems to be the young 'uns who listen to the old stuff more. One of the wards at the hospital I work at has a radio going in the staff area, and it's the Gen Z'ers who get peeved if the station is changed and they switch it back, making it plain that is what is going to be played in their domain. It's an oldies station playing 60s/70s/80s only. They don't seem to like the 70s stuff as much, but love the 60s & 80s...mostly 80s. I find it kinda funny....I find it kinda sad