Proxima - Synapse Audio

[tumface]

That's a mod matrix.

It's not a mod matrix. Do you think a mod wheel that only controls vibrato a mod matrix? Because that's what one of those 3 things is on a Pro-One.

Yes, that was the point. A mono synth from 43 years ago has a mod matrix.

No, we were talking about poly synths. Also, it's not a mod matrix, unless words have no meaning, in which case we don't need to continue to converse.

I don't think we aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this topic. I won't reply about it any more and derail this thread further. Sorry.

[Uncle E]

This VST will forever remain two VA oscillators into a single filter with some modulation (to which there are, as ever, limits of usefulness). No wavetables, no samples, no granular, no wavefolding, no exotic filter types, not even complicated envelopes, no user-definable envelope shapes, no etc. etc. etc. - it's a basic analog poly.

All of this is true. It has a distinctive sound but you're right that it's not a completely different paradigm the way that Serum is.

[Uncle E]

Will it be on the shop

Hopefully soon! I think Richard has his hands full at the moment.

[miloszz]

It's not a mod matrix. Do you think a mod wheel that only controls vibrato a mod matrix? Because that's what one of those 3 things is on a Pro-One.

Have you just never actually seen a Pro One? This is an awfully confident argument to be so hilariously wrong.

The Pro One assigns three different modulation sources in varying amounts to five different destinations along two different paths, one of which is using the mod wheel to further modulate depth.

No, we were talking about poly synths.

We weren't talking about anything brother.

The argument being made was that the presence of a mod matrix made this something greater than a basic analog poly. Hence the reference to an earlier (than the Xpander or other mod matrix poly), more basic (no digital control!) and cheaper option having a mod matrix. A mod matrix is nothing special and does not change the fundamental concept of what a synth is. It's just modulation routings.

[tumface]

Hah, here's a fun detail in this synth's GUI.

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It alters the shadows on a key with respect to its neighbors. Nice attention to detail. (Also happens for the black keys, but more subtly.) I just tried a few other synths I have to see if any of them do it, and I found that OB-1 does, too. Useless but fun detail. (Edit: Dune 3 does it, too, just more subtly! I never noticed!)

[seafire]

The Legend was $99 at release, but that was a long time ago, I guess.

2016. Thought it was longer actually...

[Chris-S]

Small Issue: Large volume drop when FX are activated. Example: Proxima Brass XS is 8 dB quieter with FX activated.

[HenkDeWegWeg]

This not as analogue sounding as uhe, has the synapse sound, false wide effectings and pretending warm. If you like synapse sound you will like. Also by far expensive, there is free that sound analogue now. not for me at all. all fx make sounding same patches. this is just not a sound I am happy with. it would need to be very low price cause i have many that can do same or better. a few presets sounded okay. as other said need trying better, too same too expense. I happy for them who like ! I prefer other much.

[Vortifex]

This not as analogue sounding as uhe, has the synapse sound, false wide effectings and pretending warm. If you like synapse sound you will like. Also by far expensive, there is free that sound analogue now. not for me at all. all fx make sounding same patches. this is just not a sound I am happy with. it would need to be very low price cause i have many that can do same or better. a few presets sounded okay. as other said need trying better, too same too expense. I happy for them who like ! I prefer other much.

I agree about the effects, but you can always turn them off or not use them. I think the effects on this are actually its weak spot, and I prefer its raw sound with maybe a bit of EQ to cut some mud.

The price is a little higher than I'd like and I'm surprised there isn't an introductory offer, but it's not crazy expensive. Gforce synths are the same price (inc. VAT). Arturia sells its emulations for 149 euros each outside of the bundle. Still, for me it's outside instabuy territory. I can afford it, but maybe I've become spoiled by sales.

[HenkDeWegWeg]

price ridiculous, truely. 2 osc boring, g force also too expense for sound which not analogue at all, hard sharp. vst synth days come to end now. no progress, same and no value. We have all which is good thing. People have ears.

[seafire]

You're repeating yourself.

[Richard_Synapse]

Small Issue: Large volume drop when FX are activated. Example: Proxima Brass XS is 8 dB quieter with FX activated.

True, but if you set the individual Dry/Wet knobs to Dry, or alternatively deactivate the individual effects in the chain, you'll see volume is exactly the same with or without effects. When the effects are doing something, however, it is impossible to get exactly the same volume for every patch as if they were dry. A trivial example would be if the Mid-EQ is set to +18dB @1kHz, then playing a note which hits the mid frequencies hard will be much louder.

Richard

[zerocrossing]

I'm going to stop you right there, because "basic analog polys" do not have mod matrices. Not here, on Earth-1218, but maybe you're from somewhere else in the multiverse.

Oh for the love of god, it's a list of sources and destinations. This is not mind blowing work. The Sequential Pro One (1982) has a mod matrix.

Stupid or lying?

[urosh]

Just a little under half of what I paid for a BRO-800 on sale?

Yeah, that's a pass.

Well, IMHO Pro-800 does not sound like Proxima, which is not a surprise - however close the Proxima is to P-600 - because P-800 is modern P-5 in disguise. If you want Pro-800 get Pro-800 (although for me UB-Xa sounds better, and feels better, P-800 is a bit fiddly hands on), Proxima is different thing for those who care.

[HenkDeWegWeg]

You're repeating yourself.

no I add G force also not sounding analog. XILS KB III €42 value easy to find it
develop need to be better now it 2025 not the past, joke actually.