Damn it B, why?

[sjm]

I suppose it was inevitable that they were going to get into drum machines, but I'm with you. Not a single one of them makes me in any way the slightest bit moist. I still might buy an RD9 but TBH I know I'm being a nostalgic moron with that idea. FFS even Cubase has decent drums and stuff way better in it. I never liked Prince etc first time around, so I sure don't want to sound like his drummer 30 years later. I just find them cheesy. Which is an insult to cheese, because I like cheese. So, more like knobcheese than dairy cheese. Damn it B, I don't want drumbeats made out of knobcheese.

I got the RD-9 mysef, but I grew up partly surrounded by mid-90s trance (goa/psy). I've been using it along with a number of other Behringer synths (e.g. two TD-3s and an MS-1) to create that sound without a DAW. It's good fun to jam around to and slowly evolve patterns, mess with the filters etc. So it fits a niche for me. I can justify it because it's analogue rather than sample playback and because I now earn more money than I need. From my POV, Behringer synths basically cost just a bit of pocket money and I could buy them all if I really wanted to.

The sampled drums on the other hand hold absolutely no appeal to me either. I'm not sure who the target is and why they'd want one. Of course, I might be missing something here, but with the 909 and 808 clones I get it that they're more than just sample playback machines. They might not sound great to everybody - I think context matters a lot - but I see the appeal. I have no interest in spending money on a box with a bunch of shitty samples that I could download off the internet if I really wanted to (which I don't). If I wanted a digital drum machine, I'd rather buy something modern and load it up with old samples.

[lfm]

The sampled drums on the other hand hold absolutely no appeal to me either. I'm not sure who the target is and why they'd want one.

If you just want a good capture of well known acoustic drumkits, could be one?

It's like that in Addictive Drums or any eDrum modules for digital drum pads or drum machines for that matter.

Probably what most genres want, pop, rock, metal, blues, jazz etc.
- maybe not so much for EDM

Advantage of analog modelled stuff is that you can get "in between" values, that would require endless amount of samples to capture.

In my DTX700 module for the Yamaha kit, you can still alter many things like tuning, muffle and amount of snares etc. And in most sample libraries too you can do that.

But when it comes to extensive amount of parameters like for an Hammond organ there have been attempts that just reduce your tweaking to a few things so does not compare to modelled emulations.

[sjm]

The sampled drums on the other hand hold absolutely no appeal to me either. I'm not sure who the target is and why they'd want one.

If you just want a good capture of well known acoustic drumkits, could be one?

It's like that in Addictive Drums or any eDrum modules for digital drum pads or drum machines for that matter.

I meant it more in terms of: As opposed to a modern offering like SD3, why would I buy a remake of an old 12-bit digtal sampler? Why not just get a modern one and load it with old samples if I really want to?

[kritikon]

Yeah, I don't understand the desire for reduced quality digital. I hear stuff about how amazing Akai S950s were. No they weren't. They were amazing for their time. 12 bit compared to anything you can get now in digital is just poor quality. I had one for a long time and it's just laughable compared to...almost anything modern, depsite that at the time I absolutely loved it and it opened up all kinds of options for me back then. Same here in that I get the desire for analogue. Despite what anyone says, I hear often big differences between analogue and digital - the flavour obvs depends on the synth and its filters, but I hear it absolutely. But poor quality digital is just poor quality.

Obvs there are some that nostalgificate for anything retro, so I suppose drum machines aren't immune to that. Just seems like a waste of money to me. There are plenty of other retro toys that genuinely sound different and sound like nothing new/digital. But I can downgrade digital drums easily in A DAW to sound as or more crunchy than these old bin-fillers B are churning out.

[kritikon]

...They're going to make a B950 next aren't they?

[Uncle E]

Even if you are nostalgic for that old sampler sound, Amigo beats it in every way.

[seafire]

[Uncle E]

Talking to sound ratio 2:1

[kritikon]

They're really on a stompbox roll currently. And drum machines. Makes me think that maybe they've run into issues with the synthesizer stuff - maybe difficult to release at low enough prices nowadays? Hopefully it's just a phase they're going through...Need a Jupiter, very much want a VCS3. Would kill for an OSCar - though PWM Mantis is calling me very strongly down that avenue.

[Uncle E]

I'm surprised they're not releasing more versions of the Pro 800. That seemed to be their last big winner. While I'd prefer a JT-16, I'd buy a Pro-JT or Polysource in a heartbeat.

[ghettosynth]

I'm surprised they're not releasing more versions of the Pro 800. That seemed to be their last big winner. While I'd prefer a JT-16, I'd buy a Pro-JT or Polysource in a heartbeat.

Right. Damn it B, you're missing it on this one. 3U for the win.

[seafire]

I'm surprised they're not releasing more versions of the Pro 800.

Versions in what way?

[Uncle E]

Versions in what way?

Swap in different oscillators and filters.

[seafire]

Versions in what way?

Swap in different oscillators and filters.

Then it wouldn't be a P600 clone. Do you mean something else? Am I missing your meaning?

[v4p0r]

Dear B, can you also clone the Yamaha QY700? Thanks a lot.