Any Reasontalk members here?

[sellyoursoul]

I'm only saying that you're the only person upset in this thread because of the tone of your post, where no one else has that tone in their posts. Maybe attempt to give it an objective read through.

I think what you're perceiving as whining is actually Reason users expressing a want to see Reason return to what previously made so many users Reason fans. Remember when Reason got audio support, sampling in devices, Thor, Kong, Pulverizer, The Echo? Those were exciting times for Reason, and it was a good time to be a Reason user. In Reason - major daw updates and major new devices, which were fun to get and good value for your money - as part of buying a Reason license, not as additional purchases on top of buying a license or paying for a subscription only. Did anyone get excited about the browser update, Polytone, or Monotone? Not so much. Is the lack of enthusiasm, whining? Or is it wanting to see significant new developments in Reason, as in how Reason used to be developed?

[waxtrax]

Just add on a clip launcher and proper VST MIDI routing and I'll have everything I need for Reason I know there are workarounds for both, but having native functionality is better.

[Pepin]

I think what you're perceiving as whining is actually Reason users expressing a want to see Reason return to what previously made so many users Reason fans. Remember when Reason got audio support, sampling in devices, Thor, Kong, Pulverizer, The Echo? Those were exciting times for Reason, and it was a good time to be a Reason user. In Reason - major daw updates and major new devices, which were fun to get and good value for your money - as part of buying a Reason license, not as additional purchases on top of buying a license or paying for a subscription only. Did anyone get excited about the browser update, Polytone, or Monotone? Not so much. Is the lack of enthusiasm, whining? Or is it wanting to see significant new developments in Reason, as in how Reason used to be developed?

As a long time user, I can't say I agree with that account. You mention audio recording, but that was originally added as a separate purchased product and then backpedaled via a pay-what-you-want upgrade that also added dongle-based copy protection. It wasn't without controversy.

The version 7 and 8 releases that followed were probably the least substantial upgrades in the history of the program. As far as new devices go, those two versions added only Audiomatic, the external midi device, and replacements for the Line6 amps that were removed (another controversy). This was before VST support was added, and it felt at the time like Propellerhead was never going to release another instrument that wasn't a separate purchase.

More recent releases feel luxurious in comparison. Maybe still not good enough for you, but there has been a significant course correction nevertheless IMO.

There may indeed be less perceived excitement, but online music discourse has changed quite a bit in general since those days. I wouldn't necessarily pin it on the quality of recent releases.

(Agree that complainers aren't generally "whining" at least)

[xmstkvr]

The rest of the Reason community are on Facebook, there are 18.3 thousand users in one group on there. There are communities where people talk about Reason other than RT and KVR. Real communities without bots include:

Gearspace
https://gearspace.com/board/propellerhead-reason

VIControl 'Your DAW' (Any DAW)
https://vi-control.net/community/forums/your-daw.47

There is also Quora where you can post questions on Reason.

What kind of nonsense are you talking about, this is unbelievable. Most of the "big" Facebook groups for Reason are filled with drop-in users who come once to ask for technical support and never show up again. Just look at the majority of the content in those groups.

The Gearspace "community" you linked to serves mostly similar purposes, with content that mostly refers to Reason releases that are several years old.

If your intention was to refute the fact that Reason releases and "community" are outdated by linking large "communities" of users, you just shot yourself in the foot in your argument.

If you are aiming for deep development or serious use of Reason, I recommend avoiding generalized “big” communities and instead looking for smaller, higher-quality groups with verified members who actually work with the software. And then you have only a silly reason talk forum in that regard.

In short, the number of members does not equal the quality of discussion and content, which is important to keep in mind in a professional context.

Somehow, these people at RS managed to screw even that. Having a self-autonomous, real Reason community (reasontalk). By influencing the owner and censoring and banning anyone who comments or questions the RS navigation.

Reason Studios and Reasontalk are basically the Steven Seagal of DAW

Started boldly, pushed high, then their ego ate themselves, and now they teach how to eat carrots

They even ran like Steven Seagal

[LaLivre]

And their next youtube-influencer jumps ship:



But with such ignorant leadership, that's no surprise.

[Pepin]

And their next youtube-influencer jumps ship:
But with such ignorant leadership, that's no surprise.

That video is using AI to impersonate a former RS employee, and the guy who runs that channel also sells pirated ReFills. I doubt leadership would mind him jumping ship.

[Samiver]

And their next youtube-influencer jumps ship:



But with such ignorant leadership, that's no surprise.

I don't think he is moving on but it appears Ryan Harlin has asked him to stop using ai of his voice. Can't say I personally have much time for this influencer after the exode thing etc but aware others like him.

[LaLivre]

However, I am done, too.

[sellyoursoul]

As a long time user, I can't say I agree with that account. You mention audio recording, but that was originally added as a separate purchased product and then backpedaled via a pay-what-you-want upgrade that also added dongle-based copy protection. It wasn't without controversy.

The version 7 and 8 releases that followed were probably the least substantial upgrades in the history of the program. As far as new devices go, those two versions added only Audiomatic, the external midi device, and replacements for the Line6 amps that were removed (another controversy). This was before VST support was added, and it felt at the time like Propellerhead was never going to release another instrument that wasn't a separate purchase.

More recent releases feel luxurious in comparison. Maybe still not good enough for you, but there has been a significant course correction nevertheless IMO.

There may indeed be less perceived excitement, but online music discourse has changed quite a bit in general since those days. I wouldn't necessarily pin it on the quality of recent releases.

(Agree that complainers aren't generally "whining" at least)

I definitely remember the dongle, Record, audio recording being integrated, and Line 6 devices being removed. And I remember controversy around those issues. Overall, I think Propellerheads made good moves with losing the dongle, integrating audio recording, and getting rid of the Line 6 devices. On that last point, I assume that they were paying some licensing to Line 6, and those devices just weren't very good anyway. The short of it to me is that there was a lot going on during the period from versions 4 to 6 (and previous to version 4), and there were some nice developments which still had users enthusiastic about Reason. And the Reason users who are still around don't seem so enthusiastic today.

I think VST integration and the Reason rack VST were also really good moves, although they were long overdue by time they were integrated. I think less of rack extensions implementation. I mean, technically, rack extensions are a good thing, but they aren't so nice from a user perspective. I feel like Propellerheads should have continued to develop them for inclusion in Reason, with the rack extensions market being left for third party developers. That would have given Reason continuous new devices plus third party options, which I think would have made users much more happy.

If you peruse comments around the internet about Reason+, most Reason users I'm seeing haven't been happy about it, with many saying that they have been jumping ship. The prevailing sentiment is that Reason Studios is attempting to box users into a subscription, with the perpetual license + rack extensions costs being too high in comparison to the subscription, while not wanting a subscription. With a perpetual license, when a new version is released that users don't see to be good value, they can stay where they are, still being able to use what is in the last paid for version and opening previous projects. With a subscription, users lose access to everything when they decide not to continue the subscription, including being able to use purchased third party rack extensions.

Personally, I'm fine with what I paid to upgrade from version 6 to 13, getting VST integration and the rack VST. But I'm not someone who stayed onboard up to version 13, paying for those upgrades at every new version and seeing development become slanted in favor of subscribers, after years of paying for updates to perpetual licenses. That has to sting.

[Winstontaneous]

If you peruse comments around the internet about Reason+, most Reason users I'm seeing haven't been happy about it, with many saying that they have been jumping ship. The prevailing sentiment is that Reason Studios is attempting to box users into a subscription, with the perpetual license + rack extensions costs being too high in comparison to the subscription, while not wanting a subscription. With a perpetual license, when a new version is released that users don't see to be good value, they can stay where they are, still being able to use what is in the last paid for version and opening previous projects. With a subscription, users lose access to everything when they decide not to continue the subscription, including being able to use purchased third party rack extensions.

Personally, I'm fine with what I paid to upgrade from version 6 to 13, getting VST integration and the rack VST. But I'm not someone who stayed onboard up to version 13, paying for those upgrades at every new version and seeing development become slanted in favor of subscribers, after years of paying for updates to perpetual licenses. That has to sting.

I'm probably an outlier, started using around 2007 and paid for most upgrades over time to major versions, then jumped on Reason+ subscription. I don't like software subscriptions in general, but Reason continues to be one of the most inspiring programs I've used. I see enough Reason content on KVR and Reddit, and am familiar enough with how to use it that I've never felt the need to find a dedicated forum, but will check out Reasontalk if it's not filled with idiots.

The current state of Reason+ (VST instrument plugin I can use in Live and Logic) is what I wish Reason had been years ago. I am not crazy about how they've ignored improving the DAW side for so long but I love the Player devices and the instruments released in the last 5 years.

[Trancit]

I'm probably an outlier, started using around 2007 and paid for most upgrades over time to major versions, then jumped on Reason+ subscription. I don't like software subscriptions in general, but Reason continues to be one of the most inspiring programs I've used. I see enough Reason content on KVR and Reddit, and am familiar enough with how to use it that I've never felt the need to find a dedicated forum, but will check out Reasontalk if it's not filled with idiots.

The current state of Reason+ (VST instrument plugin I can use in Live and Logic) is what I wish Reason had been years ago. I am not crazy about how they've ignored improving the DAW side for so long but I love the Player devices and the instruments released in the last 5 years.

+ 1

I think they cannot win the race any more anyway...
The DAW part of Reason is so outdated no matter what they bring it, it would never be enough for the upset people... there would be just even more requests they cannot fulfill as it would probably take decades... so they don´t even try or just do minor parts...

So they concentrate on what they can do best... building interesting devices and gain people from other DAWs as users of the Rack version...
This way they kill 2 birds with one stone... they reduce the need of the outdated DAW part which they couldn´t fix that easy anyway and gaining customers they would never have had otherwise...

I understand that hardcore reason users are upset and frustrated with the situation but business wise they have made the best out of their situation and I can imagine that pays out...

If you like subscriptions or not... It´s been a bit since I used it and I don´t know if something has changed of what I speak but Reason+ is (was at least) really a great offer not alone with the constant new devices you get but as well in the side effort they take with regulary releasing free sound packs which contain some real gems...
I found it a real good value for that money which is a tiny fraction of what you would have to pay buying all that stuff as perpetual licenses while missing additionally the sound pack part...

So at least the first 15 years you cannot lose any money here and who knows what is available after that time span and if you would even miss something because of not having perpetual licenses you cannot sell anyway.

[TheMaestro]

Maybe v13.5 will improve the userbase.

[starflakeprj]

Maybe v13.5 will improve the userbase.

I hope so, but I don't believe so

[LaLivre]

I'm probably an outlier, started using around 2007 and paid for most upgrades over time to major ....

+ 1

I think they cannot win the race any more anyway...
The DAW part of Reason is so outdated no matter what they bring it, it would never be enough for the upset people... there would be just even more requests they cannot fulfill as it would probably take decades... so they don´t even try or just do minor parts...

You're totally wrong and your logic is probably the same wrong logic like RS management. Nobody wants Reason to be the feature-richest DAW on the market.

But I will explain it one last time:

We, the upset people, don't want fancy high-tech stuff in Reason for now. All we want are basic DAW featueres every other DAW has since 10-15 years. We want that the management respects their long time users and show love to their own DAW.
So again for you: No overload with features, just the basics.

We do NOT want to win any "race". You got it?

Those features are:

• marker

• folders / organisation / arrangement (!!!!!!!!!)

• color stuff

• chase

• comping

• loop clips

• audio bpm sync

7 features, maybe add 3 more. So they can provide and communicate to the users for example something like this:

"Hey folks, we want to make Reason a better DAW, even we know that its a bit behind others.
We will start to implement the most important missing basic DAW features a.s.a.p."

That would be enough, just something like this. Bute they communicate literally nothing and don't interact with any user base. Goodbye.

[Trancit]

I'm probably an outlier, started using around 2007 and paid for most upgrades over time to major ....

+ 1

I think they cannot win the race any more anyway...
The DAW part of Reason is so outdated no matter what they bring it, it would never be enough for the upset people... there would be just even more requests they cannot fulfill as it would probably take decades... so they don´t even try or just do minor parts...

You're totally wrong and your logic is probably the same wrong logic like RS management. Nobody wants Reason to be the feature-richest DAW on the market.

But I will explain it one last time:

We, the upset people, don't want fancy high-tech stuff in Reason for now. All we want are basic DAW featueres every other DAW has since 10-15 years. We want that the management respects their long time users and show love to their own DAW.
So again for you: No overload with features, just the basics.

We do NOT want to win any "race". You got it?

Those features are:

• marker

• folders / organisation / arrangement (!!!!!!!!!)

• color stuff

• chase

• comping

• loop clips

• audio bpm sync

7 features, maybe add 3 more. So they can provide and communicate to the users for example something like this:

"Hey folks, we want to make Reason a better DAW, even we know that its a bit behind others.
We will start to implement the most important missing basic DAW features a.s.a.p."

That would be enough, just something like this. Bute they communicate literally nothing and don't interact with any user base. Goodbye.

You misunderstood me and you can scream as much as you like but it will not change reality...

Let´s say they would bring in everything you mentioned here... in Propellerhead time/development pace this would last probably 5 years or longer, do you really think the requests would stop there?

After having all of that, people would say... and what´s with MPE... I want ARA, what about probability in the PR editor, Euclidian note creation...I want this... I want that...
This is the race they cannot win anymore what I was talking about...

If your stuff is technical wise more or less up to date as a DAW developer you can handle such requests, but if you have to catch up a more than 1 decade old technical dept, don´t even consider it with such a small team... there is nothing to win for a company like them in such case.

Perhaps you will be lucky and they will improve the DAW part like you ask for... but I heavily doubt it.