Maybe there is a way to fix the AI problem!? (Let's talk about how we can handle this sh*t)

[funky lime]

Nobody has anything to say now? A dose of reality is a bit overwhelming, is it?

You are predictable enough in your responses that there's really no point engaging with you. The AI boot is so far down your throat that you're basically a bot yourself at this point.

[BONES]

How about engaging with the f**king topic? A discussion should be about ideas, not personalities. Nothing is personal, why do you need to see everything through that lens? It's what makes this place such a waste of f**king time.

Interesting... I've heard rumours this is the way to detect whether it's AI generated or not. Myth or truth?

I don't know and don't really care. Good music is good music, where it comes from is totally irrelevant. I mean, I can't stand Miley Cyrus but her Nine Inch Nails cover is f**king great -

[Constructed Identity]

As I’ve said before ( maybe not on here) technology is never used the way you think it will be, it’s always exploited by evil people who don’t care how everyone else dreams of the future. Music isn’t going to be for AI because it’s already free (well, close enough) for the industry executives to get. Why pay for the tools when labor is free?
AI will be used where big money and data are involved: gambling sites spotting cheaters, etc.
We are in the early, euphoric stage when people will try to use it for everything because they can- remember the internet in the late ‘90s?

[BONES]

Music is a lot more than just a handful of large corporations. In fact, almost any music from the last 30 years that I enjoy has never been within a bull's roar of a major label. Even so, why wouldn't the big labels be interested in bypassing people and making the music directly? It would save them having to pay royalties, they wouldn't have to hire studios, engineers or producers for artists to record in, they could basically dismantle the entire apparatus, save a fortune and respond far more quickly to changes and trends. It may seem far-fetched right now but it's not that long ago we'd have said the same thing about producing a world-wide hit from your bedroom. Things change and mostly they change far more quickly than we think they will.

AI will be developed for corporate use but there will always be people taking advantage of what it can do to offer more niche services, like AI music. e.g. The crap they pipe into the changerooms at work or that you hear when you go shopping or in lifts, which I assume these days is some paid for curated Spotify playlist (or something similar), could easily be replaced in the future by a Co-Pilot laptop generating similar garbage on the fly, for next to nothing.

[eLawnMust]

It's amazing that Ted Kaczynski has actually been proved right, that AI is a bad thing & that peeps would be subject to it... It's far more than music it woulda been nice if nobody woulda used it at all so that it didn't 'learn' as soon it will probably be fulla shit then it will be available at a price... I see too many using it rather than their own brains like it's some benevolent 'oracle' which it's not... Fact is that it will be capable of online cloning of anybody thus raising the need for biometrics to ensure it's actually you online & not AI... Then AI can have it's way, if you have it help with your song & it makes any money AI will simply take their cut outta your bank account you have no say...

Those at the top know exactly what will happen, those who are pushing this... Piss on the music aspect just make your own yourself that YOU like to listen to... I have several tunes that are good enough they will never see the internet as theft is huge & not just from AI...

You don't honestly think they are spending 100's of billions to make AI supercenters to give you free shit do you?! It's like everything else it will turn very bad look at the internet it's an adware trojan shithole... Ad whores are everywhere pitching products right in the middle of their videos even trusted channels have turned... I ditched cable TV over 30 years ago & now the internet is worse...

[BONES]

I think you need to stop taking whatever it is you've been taking and have nice, long lie down. Nobody is spending hundreds of billions on AI to give you anything. It is all being spent by and for big tech companies, what we get out of it is just a by-product of what they want to use it for.

Anyone can pretend to be anyone they like online, AI isn't going to make that any worse than it already is.

Why would you care if anyone "steals" your music? If you are happy with it and you aren't trying to make money from it, surely you'd want it to get out to as many people as possible, by whichever means are available?

The worst thing about the internet is people. If you stay away from social media, the internet can be a very pleasant place to spend your time.

[FranklyFlawless]

So what are your ideas and thoughts about it?

Apparently my planned solution is to produce seven-limit just intonation music using approximately up to 36 seventh chords and 1,490 scales, publicly release it along with the Ardour project files, then optionally see if AI ends up using any of it as training data to produce seven-limit just intonation music as well.

[BONES]

Don't flatter yourself.

[ghettosynth]

The way to beat AI is simple. Fill the internet with lies

KVR has that covered.

falsehoods,

KVR has that covered too.

and bad music for it to learn from

Holy shit to hell KVR *definitely* has that covered.

The most on-point post in the thread.

If you don't enjoy making music for its own sake then stop doing so. If you only make it to compete, then start competing. AI is just lopping off the bottom of the pyramid.

Here you go though, keep the hope alive if you want, but, you might ask which side of this mess will actually help you more.

[mixyguy2]

You are predictable enough in your responses that there's really no point engaging with you.

And yet, there you are, doing just that.

[mixyguy2]

It's amazing that Ted Kaczynski has actually been proved right, that AI is a bad thing

It's IMO not amazing at all, it's stating the obvious to anyone with their eyes wide open. Sadly, that doesn't describe the vast majority of people out there.

The movie "Idiocracy" was made as a farce...but it's becoming more like a documentary.

[lights]

I’m hoping the current AI fanfare — which feels a lot like the internet boom of the 2000s to me — will eventually calm down. Some of the hype will collapse, and what’s left will be the more realistic, (financially viable) uses.

My hope is that the tech will eventually make its way into our DAWs in small, practical ways.
Not “write a song for me,” but more like:
“Hey, Studio One AI assistant, why can’t I hear the delay on the hats?”
And it scans the mix and says, “Because the delay send is muted, you buffoon.”

Anyway, let's circle back to the OP’s point about feeling depressed after hearing how effortless AI-generated music can sound — the polish, the harmony, the mix, the mastering. Sht.* I mean, this must be how Salieri felt the first time he heard Mozart — like, what’s the point of trying anymore?

I went through that exact phase for a few weeks this summer. Luckily, I’d already committed to spending more time outdoors and away from the studio. That break helped me refocus myself on why I make music in the first place — for the joy of it. Plain and simple. And that’s what pulled me out of that “why bother?” doom and gloom mood and back writing and tinkering.
It may sound like sht. Compared to AI super glossy glitter, but it's my sht.

[BONES]

It's amazing that Ted Kaczynski has actually been proved right, that AI is a bad thing

It's IMO not amazing at all, it's stating the obvious to anyone with their eyes wide open. Sadly, that doesn't describe the vast majority of people out there.
The movie "Idiocracy" was made as a farce...but it's becoming more like a documentary.

Seriously? Please explain to us all exactly why it's a bad thing. I see no downside beyond the idiots who are allowed to access it. i.e. As always, it's people who are the problem. If you are too stupid to embrace AI, you will just be left behind.

I’m hoping the current AI fanfare — which feels a lot like the internet boom of the 2000s to me — will eventually calm down. Some of the hype will collapse, and what’s left will be the more realistic, (financially viable) uses.

Here's the thing, though, the internet boom didn't fade, it just became normalised. The boom itself has continued unabated.

My hope is that the tech will eventually make its way into our DAWs in small, practical ways.
Not “write a song for me,”

Why not? Song writing is a boring process, it's only having the thing finished in front of you that's rewarding so why not use tools to speed that up? I imagine you're going to say that getting Ai to write you a song is too easy but that will depend on how low your own personal standards are. If you want to write a good song, it takes a lot of trial and error, a lot of perseverance and thought to get exactly what you're after. Again, I refer to my bandmate's approach - his hit rate is about one useful thing in 600 attempts. He'll use up his 450 daily credits in a few hours, refining and refining the results until he gets what he wants. Does that sound too easy to you? I don't see how it's any different to spending a whole evening trying to refine a patch for a part in a song or balance a mix or do any of the other boring things music production involves. It's just a different toolset but it still involves a lot of time, effort and thought to get to where you want to go.

It may sound like sht. Compared to AI super glossy glitter, but it's my sht.

Why is that any different if you use AI instead of a DAW? I can guarantee you nobody else is getting the same results out of their tinkering with AI that we are. It's as much us as anything we've ever done. How could it not be?

[vurt]

tbf you were already a cyborg

[funky lime]

How about engaging with the f**king topic? A discussion should be about ideas, not personalities.

amateurs with low standards

the idiots flooding the internet with AI music

I think you need to stop taking whatever it is you've been taking and have nice, long lie down

The worst thing about the internet is people.

Don't flatter yourself.

If you are too stupid to embrace AI, you will just be left behind.

I see no downside beyond the idiots who are allowed to access it

I imagine you're going to say