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btw. what’s your opinion on the discontinuation of the .5 updates

launched a search with Sonnet LLM,
**Why Did the .5 Release Model End?**

Around 2021–2022, a Senior Project Manager at Steinberg mentioned that the company would discontinue the paid “.5” updates. There was some initial hesitation on Gearspace, but after Cubase 12, the change became official — there was no Cubase 12.5, only Cubase 13.

### Possible Reasons (based on forum speculation)

**1. Transition to the New Licensing System**

* The Cubase 12.0.50 update was delayed because core components had to be migrated to the new licensing backend.
* Removing the eLicenser dongle was a major infrastructure change.
* This migration alone required the kind of workload that would normally justify a “.5” release.

**2. The “Disguised Subscription” Theory**

* Some users believe it’s essentially a rebranded annual subscription model.
* €99 every November = de facto subscription, even if not labeled as one.
* Under the old model, users could choose whether to buy a big upgrade or skip a smaller .5 update.

**3. Predictable Revenue Stream**

* One yearly release — every November, like clockwork.
* Easier for Steinberg to plan and allocate development resources.

### The Downside of the Current Model

**Previously (with the .5 model):**

* Major update (e.g. 11 → 12): €99, packed with new features.
* Minor update (e.g. 12 → 12.5): €49, fewer features but great value.
* Users had the choice to skip smaller releases if they wanted to wait.

**Now (yearly model):**

* Every update costs €99.
* No choice — you either pay annually or fall behind.
* If a release is more of a maintenance update (as many argue Cubase 15 is), it still costs the full €99.
* Many feel Cubase 15 is closer to a “14.5” than a true 15.

### The Trade-off

The old .5 model offered flexibility. Now, if a release feels minor, users feel like they’re paying €99 for maintenance. From Steinberg’s perspective, this brings predictable revenue and scheduling. From the user’s side, it feels like less freedom and value.

**In short:** Steinberg chose financial predictability over user flexibility.
IMO where they go wrong is that value perception isn’t defined by the number of features, but by the number of peak experiences, so the origial conecpt was much more reasonable

Major update (X.0): €99
New engine features
Architectural changes
Game-changing functionality
Emotional reaction: "WOW, worth it!"

Minor update (X.5): €49
Workflow tweaks
UI improvements
Plugin updates
Emotional reaction: "Okay, that's a fair price, small money for small things"

this current release also shows such a mixed/choppy picture because the two concepts got mixed up at Mr. Steinberg's
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One year isn't really enough time to implement major new features, so what you end up with is essentially the same thing as before. Every other "major" update is really just a minor x.5 update disguised as an x.0 update, with maybe some sample pack or new plugin thrown in to sweeten the deal.

The advantage for Steinberg is of course that they get to release a €99 update every year instead of every other year.
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xbitz wrote: Sun Nov 09, 2025 9:04 am btw. what’s your opinion on the discontinuation of the .5 updates

launched a search with Sonnet LLM,
**Why Did the .5 Release Model End?**

Around 2021–2022, a Senior Project Manager at Steinberg mentioned that the company would discontinue the paid “.5” updates. There was some initial hesitation on Gearspace, but after Cubase 12, the change became official — there was no Cubase 12.5, only Cubase 13.

### Possible Reasons (based on forum speculation)

**1. Transition to the New Licensing System**

* The Cubase 12.0.50 update was delayed because core components had to be migrated to the new licensing backend.
* Removing the eLicenser dongle was a major infrastructure change.
* This migration alone required the kind of workload that would normally justify a “.5” release.

**2. The “Disguised Subscription” Theory**

* Some users believe it’s essentially a rebranded annual subscription model.
* €99 every November = de facto subscription, even if not labeled as one.
* Under the old model, users could choose whether to buy a big upgrade or skip a smaller .5 update.

**3. Predictable Revenue Stream**

* One yearly release — every November, like clockwork.
* Easier for Steinberg to plan and allocate development resources.

### The Downside of the Current Model

**Previously (with the .5 model):**

* Major update (e.g. 11 → 12): €99, packed with new features.
* Minor update (e.g. 12 → 12.5): €49, fewer features but great value.
* Users had the choice to skip smaller releases if they wanted to wait.

**Now (yearly model):**

* Every update costs €99.
* No choice — you either pay annually or fall behind.
* If a release is more of a maintenance update (as many argue Cubase 15 is), it still costs the full €99.
* Many feel Cubase 15 is closer to a “14.5” than a true 15.

### The Trade-off

The old .5 model offered flexibility. Now, if a release feels minor, users feel like they’re paying €99 for maintenance. From Steinberg’s perspective, this brings predictable revenue and scheduling. From the user’s side, it feels like less freedom and value.

**In short:** Steinberg chose financial predictability over user flexibility.
IMO where they go wrong is that value perception isn’t defined by the number of features, but by the number of peak experiences, so the origial conecpt was much more reasonable

Major update (X.0): €99
New engine features
Architectural changes
Game-changing functionality
Emotional reaction: "WOW, worth it!"

Minor update (X.5): €49
Workflow tweaks
UI improvements
Plugin updates
Emotional reaction: "Okay, that's a fair price, small money for small things"

this current release also shows such a mixed/choppy picture because the two concepts got mixed up at Mr. Steinberg's
IMHO they need to give it a break for at least a couple of years, do bug fixing during this time and spend the developement resources on UX and GUi improvements, make workflow more practical, simpler with a cleaner, easier GUI, less menus, clicks
To this day I still struggle where to find some adjustments are in preferences. Or hard time to find the instrument slot in inspector. There is no obvious seperation in the GUi

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Steinberg are basing their strategy on FOMO, and it’ll probably benefit them, it’s human nature. It’s up to the users to determine how we spend our money. I’m still on 13 and bought an upgrade in the September sale waiting to see the next version. I’m always a version or 2 behind, I still get my songs done and sounding the same as I would with a new version, probably in the same amount of time. None of the updates are life changers, and I like workflow improvements, but I don’t spend my money for small returns. I may update soon now, but not decided yet. I know there are others that do the same. We have to control our FOMO and not feel like we are behind just because we don’t have the latest version. Buy updates during the sales and redeem it in your own timing.

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Nevermind
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C15 pretty well confirms it's the same cycle of full version one year followed by 0.5 version next year but full price and call it a full version. Thing is that the 0.5 versions also used to fix bugs/stabilization/fixes of the full version. That will now no doubt have gone by the wayside. As for FOMO, it's definitely a thing, but there's not much to miss out on with C15 so they've shot themselves in the foot :hihi: .

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DMG68 wrote: Sun Nov 09, 2025 12:51 pm Steinberg are basing their strategy on FOMO, and it’ll probably benefit them, it’s human nature.
FOMO is a trigger, but every release by every company is hyped to FOMO levels and that kills hype pretty quick.

It's like that Bartek guy on Youtube who looks like he is on ecstasy when he's playing a new synth, and I just want to say Dude... it's just a sawtooth with an LFO. Not meant to bash on Bartek - he always make me smile.

It's just how it is these days.

I thought the update was pretty cool - incremental but lots of stuff in the usability side.
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Yeah, there was enough here for me to take the 13 -> 15 jump.

I think a product like Cubase is probably in a difficult position now to be honest. When you've been considered 'bloated' since, well, probably SX3, what new features do you add? After many years of DAW-hopping, I settled on Cubase and, similarly to Photoshop (whose added features after CS2 I haven't needed), it generally does everything I want and it's a tough thing for the makers to sell me on more than it currently does. At this point, I just upgrade for compatibility and maintenance fixes.

At 40 odd quid (about 6 pints of beer my way), it's not terrible value.

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The upgrade, from Cubase 14, is £83. Bit more than 40 odd quid.

This is very much what a .5 update would’ve been before they went back to whole version numbers. It’s ok, but I’d rather they called it what it is.., a .5 update, and took the 2 years to make more meaningful changes between major versions.

No proper plugin isolation (meaning any plugin can crash your whole Cubase project) is getting annoying at this point, and I’m starting to wonder if a gapless audio engine will ever happen too.

At least you can still wait to activate and grace period your way the next version - if you’ve got the patience ;). Just hoping this yearly update cycle, to keep the cash flowing, isn’t interfering too much with things which are more difficult to implement..

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I was using 13, and then 14 in the test period. I'm pretty happy with 15 and tbh I think I will wait till 18 to update again. For example I'm still using Komplete 12 and I will probably update the next time they have an upgrade rebate
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PAK wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 2:27 pm The upgrade, from Cubase 14, is £83. Bit more than 40 odd quid.
I always wait for the sale.

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I can't see a gapless audio engine showing up in Cubase without a complete rewrite. It wasn't designed from the ground up to work like Live or Bitwig. It would be nice, though.
PAK wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 2:27 pm

No proper plugin isolation (meaning any plugin can crash your whole Cubase project) is getting annoying at this point, and I’m starting to wonder if a gapless audio engine will ever happen too.


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fandango wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 5:40 pm
PAK wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 2:27 pm The upgrade, from Cubase 14, is £83. Bit more than 40 odd quid.
I always wait for the sale.
The same here! Especially on this update...

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fandango wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 5:40 pm
PAK wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 2:27 pm The upgrade, from Cubase 14, is £83. Bit more than 40 odd quid.
I always wait for the sale.
When are those? Usually in the summer, no?
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yeah mid year sometime.
I paid $50 for an update from 12 to 13, kept the code till now - i have v15 for $50.
I'll buy the discount upgrade next sale again, prolly wait till v18 and activate :P

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