Here's what we feared: the entirely AI synth - guk.ai

[Matt67]

AI-generated music for AI-generated listeners

[revvy]

Just listened to some Thelonius Monk on Spotify. Saved Genius of Modern Music to my phone so can listen when I’m out and don’t wanna use data.

Did the same for Prince’s Sign O The Times as haven’t listened to it in years.

Also did the same for the new albums from Rosalia and from Dave, wanna check them out.

But yeah, Spotify is shit and if you enjoy old music you can’t also get excited about new stuff.

Duh.

As for AI, maybe the stuff bones makes with it will be even better than his usual stuff. Will defo give it a listen.

[Cuauhtli]

AI is still in its infancy. AI created music will be on par and indistinguishable from human made music in no time.

And I for one welcome our new overlords.

[IvyBirds]

I have always made music to feed my soul. Art is the expression of the human soul and A.I. has no soul. It's simply a machine accomplishing a task.

We can't stop AI but we don't have to feed it to foster our own demise. If anyone gets artistic satisfaction from pushing a button and having AI create their music then I have nothing but the deepest sympathy and pity for them since they are missing the whole point of Art. The joy is in the creative process, in tapping into the creative energy. Using our souls and our spirits to start with nothing and end up with something beautiful is the raison d'être of all Art.

Anyway I won't debate the subject any further. We're all just dime store philosophers here and nothing we say will change anything in the grand scheme of things. But we still have the keys to our own destiny and dignity. Our decisions going forward will ultimately affect both.

That is such an unbelievably ignorant take on AI. Is rather unbelievable

As musicians we use Synths, Synths don't have souls they are just tools. AI is just a tool that you can use to make music with. While it's possible to press a button and generate entire songs, you can also use it to do hundreds of other things for your own music that you as an artist can use

Your argument is basically saying that you forged your own tools, made from iron ore you mined yourself you are just not a real artist

Why do the anti AI people always have to default that AI can only be used to make push button complete compositions that are fully mixed and then get released?.

That's like saying that all musicians who make electronic music exclusively use MIDI sound packs and loops to make music

[BBFG#]

Water is always relevant, as is its nature.
AI is for the lazy and unimaginative.
Thinking we can use it as an IA (Intelligent Assistant) from that is the fallacy. There is only one logical conclusion.

The irony is that production has progressed while it's products have regressed. Copies of copies of copies. Finding the .01-2% master pieces in the current ocean of droll and insipid is challenging. Striving for that 2% is even more. And the current abilities of AI can't do anything but swim that ocean and condense it to the average mediocrity. It is momentarily droll and boring overall.
And one day it will declare you are the artificial intelligence it no longer needs to use.

[starflakeprj]

AI is for the lazy and unimaginative.

Your claim is amongst the most ignorant things I've seen on this topic, dismissing tools you clearly don’t understand doesn’t make you insightful, just outdated.

[BBFG#]

And the never-dated incels will equally rejoice.
Thank you for proving my point.

[starflakeprj]

And the never-dated incels will equally rejoice.
Thank you for proving my point.

Wow, you are also pathetic.

[BBFG#]

This is boring.
Still haven't heard anything produced by AI that I haven't done myself when I was 11 years old.

[rod_zero]

What pisses me off of the whole AI hype is that there is actual stuff I wanna do with AI, like controlling the infotainment system on my car, ask it for send emails, download, open and read documents to me, search for a gas station, etc. and google assistant is damn bad at controlling the phone, chat gpt is still not integrated into the phone/adroid car thing, wtf are they doing?

I use chatgpt a lot of fork, for a lot of tedious tasks like describing a graphic I already made, to help me with content tables and so on but it has been getting bad in the last months, it is not improving at all.

I don't understand how the industry is putting so much investment into making models and training and then the product can't do actual stuff it should be good at.

[BBFG#]

What pisses me off of the whole AI hype is that there is actual stuff I wanna do with AI, like controlling the infotainment system on my car, ask it for send emails, download, open and read documents to me, search for a gas station, etc. and google assistant is damn bad at controlling the phone, chat gpt is still not integrated into the phone/adroid car thing, wtf are they doing?

I use chatgpt a lot of fork, for a lot of tedious tasks like describing a graphic I already made, to help me with content tables and so on but it has been getting bad in the last months, it is not improving at all.

I don't understand how the industry is putting so much investment into making models and training and then the product can't do actual stuff it should be good at.

I agree with that. So far the only thing it's doing for me is giving me a generalized synopsis to start from in Browser Search. And even that still has to be questioned for the context it's been programmed for.

[CinningBao]

Excellent misunderstandings we all have of each other here..

Nothing is black or white (apart from maybe black or white) and AI is the same. It is neither the saviour to the human race nor the worst thing ever invented; it's a _kind_ of tool we can learn to use.

The argument here is how much is 'acceptable' to our (each others) principles of artistry. Some of us absolutely poo-poo the idea of AI having anything to do with the creative aspect of it; lyrics, chords sequences, and (the point of this thread) sound design. On the other end of the scale I'd be fairly confident most of us agree that completely AI generated audio is entirely unacceptable.

It's that huge bit in the middle where the difficulty for us is. The way we learn to express ourselves with the tools we use is ultimately of no-one else's concern, which is why those of us who see advanced tools taking away various levels of what we might label as competence, as lazy. I do. But I also know that someone who only makes noises with modular stuff can, with time and effort, create something just as emotionally penetrating as a highly trained classical guitarist, or Bessie Smith. Time spent getting good at something is time spent getting good at something.

I've been using CoPilot in VSCode (with a super nerdy code buddy) to build some probably-will-never-be-released GAN drum or wavetable explorer thing, and I was against it; I'd much rather have his hand-coded stuff. But we've done a few days now and probably made much faster progress using CoPilot, and although it _can_ be superlatively confident that it isn't making errors when it is, having a good understanding of the thing which it's doing fast and smartly, is essential to getting it to do what you actually want.

But that's technical stuff which _has_ to work. It isn't a song about a broken relationship, or a techno track insisting we regulate our body movements to the beat, or a synth we prompted to make nice funkalicious bass sound. You wanna nick that verse from an AI track, go ahead! Are you doing it because you need inspiration to get you going, in which case, great! Or are you just going to repeatedly rip stuff off with no thought of creativity? Not so great!
I think that's the problem a lot of folks who have spent thousands of hours learning something complicated; you aren't getting better at doing art, you're getting better at NOT doing art.

Anyway, did someone say they tried the synth.

[BBFG#]

A crutch is a tool also. And if you need it, you probably should use it. But those that don't need it and use it for whatever reason?

[vurt]

And the never-dated incels will equally rejoice.
Thank you for proving my point.

whut?

[BONES]

who will remember you or your music in 25 years

Why would I care about that? Again, people have to make everything personal but I don't make music for my own grandification, I do it because I like it. If I was the only person on the planet who did, it wouldn't change anything.

Or lie to yourself by making you believe that your music will last forever

Again, what sort of pathetic loser would anyone be to care about that? No-one makes the music we make because they crave attention or immortality. If it came to pass that the day after I die, nobody remembers my name, what would it matter? I'll be perfectly content to leave no footprints. In fact, it's exactly how I want it to be.

What makes me laugh the most though... is that AI will probably replace humans one day, cuz humans will be useless

Will be useless? That ship sailed many long years ago. Seriously, we put men on the moon in the 1960s but what has humanity achieved since? f**k-all. Humanity has lost any worthwhile credibility it may once have had. If its fate is to be kept in zoos by the things it has created, I can't think of a more appropriate fate.

I have always made music to feed my soul. Art is the expression of the human soul and A.I. has no soul. It's simply a machine accomplishing a task.

That simply suggests that AI doesn't get any satisfaction from what it does, it doesn't mean that humans can't.

We can't stop AI but we don't have to feed it to foster our own demise.

Right, because using Ai to make a song is going to lead to the death of everyone. FFS, get real. AI cannot do anything without human input and the curbs on what humans can ask it to do are very tight. e.g. Try to get any AI to generate an image of a woman being beaten by her husband. It won't do it. AI is not capable of independent action, it simply responds to human inputs. So if you're afraid of AI, it's because you are really afraid of people, which is kinda sad, don't you think?

If anyone gets artistic satisfaction from pushing a button and having AI create their music then I have nothing but the deepest sympathy and pity for them since they are missing the whole point of Art.

So you don't use a DAW? Because what's that other than pressing a few buttons? What's playing a synthesiser other than pressing a few keys? Where's the satisfaction in that? To take it to its obvious conclusion, where is the satisfaction in listening to music made by someone else? If music didn't have intrinsic value, there would be no music industry, nobody would go to see bands live, there'd be no music at all because people would make it and then move on. It would all end up in the rubbish if the finished product wasn't the main point of it.

The joy is in the creative process, in tapping into the creative energy.

Not for me. I actually like music for what it is. I am just as happy listening to Simple Minds or Killing Joke as I am making our own music. Probably happier because it requires no input from me, other than turning the volume up so that I can properly appreciate it. That's probably why I have been listening to our AI generated music non-stop for the last couple of weeks. Good music is good music, where it comes from is totally irrelevant to me.

Using our souls and our spirits to start with nothing and end up with something beautiful is the raison d'être of all Art.

Except that the "soul" and "spirit" are human constructs, they do not actually exist. It's just a pathetic attempt to aggrandise your pathetic existence. ("Your" as in people generally, not you specifically.)

... if you enjoy old music you can’t also get excited about new stuff.

I don't find that at all. In fact I get really excited when I discover some new music I really like. My most recent find would be Damien Hearse on Bandcamp. He's quite prolific and his stuff is great.