KVR Audio

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:18 pm

... sounds absolutely amazing. The sync-to-tempo rocks - it was about the only thing missing from the original crusherX. Granular synth/processor fanatics really need to check this out.

http://www.crusher-x.de

Hengy · Post by **Hengy** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:37 pm

very tempted, but the upgrade price is more than i can afford at the moment

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:45 pm

Me too - it still looks a rather daunting interface though. I'd hoped it would have become more user friendly by now - looks little changed from the standalone.

Gymnopedies · Post by **Gymnopedies** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:55 pm

Yeah, The first time purchase price is sooo far off the mark.
Honestly, $120.00 and you'll make more of a return than you ever possibly expected to make selling @ the current price.

Developers please, we appreciate your efforts and love your toys but some of you need to realize there are persons here who basically GIVE thier stuff away...and thier efforts are every bit as fantastic as those of you attempting to pay your mortgage w/ each single sale.

We all (mostly) work for a living, Lets be generous and realistic NOT delusional & greedy.
The Wealth WILL come to you in this fashion.

Thanks,

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:50 pm

Agreed with Gymnopedies...I personally have to have a very good reason to go to the price amount that was quoted for this plug-in. It's not that I think developers should give stuff away (although if they would like to make an exception for me, I would be happy to avail them) but I think there is a place on the curve where developers price themselves out of a larger market share. I don't want to see such an interesting and creative piece of kit whither and die on the vine because of the lack of consumer support but I would also have a very hard time -personally- reaching deep in my wallet and paying for this impulsively. Maybe others will try it and their reports will convince me but until that time...well, maybe we could go for a group buy.

RandyHancock · Post by **RandyHancock** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:53 pm

Gymnopedies wrote: Developers please, we appreciate your efforts and love your toys but some of you need to realize there are persons here who basically GIVE thier stuff away...and thier efforts are every bit as fantastic as those of you attempting to pay your mortgage w/ each single sale.

Where's my free, polyphonic, flawless OSCar emulator then?

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:21 pm

Where there's KvR there's the "money" issue.

Dunno about u guys but I easily spend 100$ on a nice romantic evening out with my lovely girlfriend. I can understand it if you are a teenager and don't have a very high allowance or are very tight on money but saving up a couple of weeks or even a month should get most people around 100$ of extra cash, no?

just my 2 cents
- bManic

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:38 pm

I thought that the original CrusherX seemed expensive until I tried the demo extensively... since buying it, I can honestly say that it's a small price to pay considering what it's capable of... I guess you could conceivably build a much more simplistic version of it with Reaktor or Max/MSP or something but it's really in a class by itself.

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:46 pm

Yep...yr right bmaniac...I see this discussed often. I wasn't complaining about the price just saying that -as it stands- the price diminished my interest. We're not talking about a hundred bucks, we're talking about over 200 some-odd euros, which for Americans, is god knows how much $$$, which is a very expensive evening out - one that unless yr a Rockefeller - you'd probably wanna really wait for a "VERY SPECIAL" evening and a very special person to share it with. I'm not saying it ain't a very special piece of kit, just that it won't be getting my impulse money - maybe I'll wait for ttoz to buy and sell it. My feelings -however- are quite irrelevant unless the developer is interested as to why there's not a stampedede to buy...so I was giving him/her/it -perhaps, prematurely, the benefit of my thoughts, should they be reading.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:53 pm

Aaah, my bad. I thought it was 100$ for a license but it seems to be 239 euros, which is more like 300$. This makes it in the "a bit expensive" class for me too but it certainly isn't totally over priced. I just decided to spend 3000 euros on some hardware so I might be spoiled .. and it's a unit that does only two things, compresses and equalizes.

Cheers!
bManic

Gymnopedies · Post by **Gymnopedies** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:33 pm

bmanic wrote:Aaah, my bad. I thought it was 100$ for a license but it seems to be 239 euros, which is more like 300$. This makes it in the "a bit expensive" class for me too but it certainly isn't totally over priced. I just decided to spend 3000 euros on some hardware so I might be spoiled .. and it's a unit that does only two things, compresses and equalizes.

Cheers!
bManic

Yep, your bad indeed.
Please dont side against "the people".
I personally could care less about this developers well being or how much people drop on their "dates"
The point I was trying to make is that most of us work, times are tighter than we'd like to admit and that it would benefit EVERYONE to price software within the realm of say,oh....Reality.

Gymnopedies · Post by **Gymnopedies** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:45 pm

bmanic wrote:Where there's KvR there's the "money" issue.
- bManic

What the hell is that supposed to imply?
Only Cretons have "issues" w/ money??

Sorry, but all of us cant live in a welfare state funded by the goverment.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:47 pm

Well, I agree I'd jump at this if it were lower, but having recently test run the standalone, I don't think it's overpriced. I can do quite a lot for you, and is much more than a limited-use effect like a flanger.

Hell, I was just looking at the local music shop's price list. There are guitar pedals that cost well over double the crusher-x asking price.

Price comes up as an issue often here mostly because we are the VST devout, and generally have a compulsion to have them all. But if you think of it in terms of buying a musical instrument, and focusing your collection of software to meet your specific musical needs, 239 euros isn't outrageous.

Still, I think some of Dave Haupt's modules in Synthedit, when added up, will get you far enough if you're feeling rather skint.

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:58 pm

I found $300 for Crusher-X Live to be a little too steep for my tastes... I played with the standalone and thought, "Wow, this is really neat, but I imagine Reaktor can do much of it (tho perhaps not with the same finesse)".

For comparison to another really flexible and high-quality effect plugin, PSP Nitro was offered as a group buy here last week for $69. Crusher-X is deeper and more flexible that Nitro, but Nitro is still towards the same end of the spectrum...

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:50 pm

Gymnopedies wrote:
bmanic wrote:Where there's KvR there's the "money" issue.
- bManic
What the hell is that supposed to imply?
Only Cretons have "issues" w/ money?? Sorry, but all of us cant live in a welfare state funded by the goverment.

It mainly means that there's been a lot of whining in the past about the prices of some amazing synths/effects. They've been in the range of 80 - 100$ and above.

I thought this was similar but it seems to be a bit more expensive. Still.. "..blah blah, this sucks coz it's too expensive.. etc" when u can't even get a sucky behringer hardware unit for that price.

.. go use freeware and stop complaining.

- bManic

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