Valhalla FutureVerb

[billinder33]

This is a forum so expressing opinions is the whole point of participating here, and obviously many of those opinions are going to be criticism or just statements about what you don't like a product.

What I don't get is going on and on for 5 pages.

There's at least one poster in this thread that seemingly defends his favorite developers regardless of any legit criticism posted. In the Omnisphere 3 thread that individual vociferously shat all over my opinions that a flagship synth include persistent, drag-and-drop assignable LFOs and macros and also allow more than 4 FX into a rack, like almost every other flagship synth that's been released in the last decade plus. Even though such a features wouldn't negatively affect their own user experience at all. As the audiences for forums of this nature grow older and start sundowning, places like KVR have become the homes of musical luddites. And that's before we even get into real hot-button issues like using AI in music.... wooooooohhhhh booooooyyyy!!!

That said, I do think the critique of the marketing copy is a little excessive. Everyone in this space inherently knows what kinds of devices Valhalla makes and you can tell at a glance this one is no different. However, that poster also correctly calls out that the meaningless room size values and was also willing to share some thoughts on other tools that have a different niche and approach than FutureVerb. So it's not all negativity and anti-value posting. There are things here to be learned beyond "dis plugin sound so gud" for those who are intellectually curious.

[billinder33]

And while I'm on a roll here, I wish Valhalla would bottle up all their plugins into a single interface and sell it for say $200-$250 so all their verb and delay models could be accessed from a single plugin. That would be something I'd be very interested in, rather than having to swap 12 plugins in and out hunting for the one that correctly fits the source.

[medienhexer]

I'm a tad confused about the purpose/focus of this one. It says it is meant to do ultra realistic spaces, so like an upgraded VRoom? But then it also has vintage style echo? Which is more what vintageverb is about right?

Regular musicians (civilians) aren‘t in the habit of always completing the collection. Perhaps it‘s the one reverb users will buy who don‘t have any valhalla verb, yet?

I still haven‘t demoed, but from the sound examples, it seems to be able to ambiance/room without being so noticeable as an effect.

I love Vintage Verb, but it‘s always clearly identifiable as an effect, which sounds like 80s/90s music on the radio. Room Verb does room, but I find it very obvious on drums, percussion and acoustic guitar. And it isn‘t what I would consider sweet. It picks up transients and noisy stuff.

[Amberience]

My current room reverb is Audio Modeling Ambiente.
It's a real-time physically modeled room with multiple localized sound sources.

So slap a nice-ish looking GUI on top of some allpass filters, delay lines, and feedback loops, and you're happy???

Okay!

[dumbledog]

Now I know why Sean dipped out of KVR.

I'm intrigued and love Valhalla plugins but unfortunately pretty swamped with Real Job. I'm interested in seeing some video demos as I'm largely a visual learner, and hope I can find time later in the month to give it a spin. (I still haven't really explored Supermassive!)

[robindrieghe]

I wish vroom also had that width knob...and nice looking gui.

[IvyBirds]

Purchased and installed it today and gave it a play, sounds awesome

Then for piss and giggles I fired up the new Cubase 15 and used the new VST MultiPanner to make a Dolby Atmos mix with around a dozen plugins then I automated everything so they all flew around in 3D space. When I rendered it out I have two instances of Future Verb, one on the front channels and another on the rear

Then I burned it to a Blu-ray along with a video clip and played it in my theater room in Dolby Atmos 5.1

It sounded incredible FWIW, I couldn't be happier despite not knowing what the room size was it was emulating

[Dalle]

Valhalla already has a great delay and multiple great reverbs, having cut down less interesting versions of both in one plugin doesn’t really do much for me.

[seafire]

I recently tried their free offerings. Had them a while but never got round to trying them till now. I wasn't impressed at all. Having seen all the positive stuff written about the company in general, I had high expectations, but was sorely disappointed

[kritikon]

Late to the party, but this one definitely interests me. Sounds like it does good stuff with the delay + reverb thing which is right up my street. I never bought all of the Valhalla reverbs as TBH I don't really give a shit about sounding like a specific room or even pretending to be a room. I just like the flavour of Valhalla verbs being similar to old style Lexicon. I've actually used Supermassive as an ambience hypershort reverb and it is surprisingly good, which proves Valhalla reverbs are very flexible. It looks like it's more intended to veer towards realistic verbs such as TC...I never much liked them TBH, but it gives more flexibility with the delay/verb routing etc? So it could actually be more abusable than their others? Got a little bit of free time, so I'll have to give it a go later today. Reverb delays can be a beautiful thing.

And I see pages of Jamcat/trollbirds trolling, so it must be a decent plug in. That's a recommendation to me that something is useful for electronic synthetic music, if those two have been persistently making noise. They must have a lot of spare time is all I can think. 9 pages of "I don't like it". It's the equivalent of MAGA in music.

Anyhow, I'll have fun listening to how I can abuse reverb with copious amounts of delay...thanks Valhalla!

[whassup]

Being a fanboi of ValhallaDSP's reverbs beginning with VRoom and Sean as he is a super nice guy I like to talk positive about their products if applicable.
Last time I counted I realized that I have already 70+ reverb algorithms inside of the four VDSP reverbs I own/have.

I tested FVerb against Vintage and Room. I didn't want redundancy. I didn't buy this plugin blind (super fanatic) but held it against the older ones as I expected this one to be MUCH BETTER after reading this BOLD marketing claim. 8 years in the making... Come on!
That's five albums and three world tours plus 8 times touring the USA coast to coast.
So, does it hold up? At first I wasn't sure as I expected to HEAR something different.
It took me a while to get it.
Systematic tests while knowing a few of the weakspots of Vintageverb I wanted to know what is going on.
Hardcore tests: 10sec rev time with room size to min. OK, why does it not sound weird or bad?
Density to min, it doesn't fall apart, sounds different and still really good!
Snare with brutaly overhyped highs into it: It doesn't fall apart!
Stuff like that, I tested more like that and it still sounds at least good if not wow.
More natural than VintageV, and to my ears more "realistic" than RoomV and for sure different.
So this brings me new colors of verb and overall more ease of use as I didn't find a setting that destroys the sound quality.
Your milage may vary.
Cheers!

[IvyBirds]

And I see pages of Jamcat/trollbirds trolling, so it must be a decent plug in. That's a recommendation to me that something is useful for electronic synthetic music, if those two have been persistently making noise. They must have a lot of spare time is all I can think. 9 pages of "I don't like it". It's the equivalent of MAGA in music.

Only I love it, have said so, and most certainly unlike you, I am not trolling anyone or bringing politics into it

But I get it, trolling is all you have so have a great a day, as for me I will continue to use and enjoy the software. I own everything Sean has ever produced and use it all the time BTW

If you are going to call out other users, awesome, just have the personal integrity to be honest about it and actually be factual

[sunthief01]

I like algorithmic reverbs and I like how this sounds. I don't understand attacking Valhalla for not randomly switching lanes to convolution

The music I make isn't really interested in being realistic, so when I see the branding for this verb u don't assume that the future must be "realistic"

I'm seeing Future as just in distinction to Vintage - again, no reason for that to mean impulse responses

[foosnark]

Valhalla already has a great delay and multiple great reverbs, having cut down less interesting versions of both in one plugin doesn’t really do much for me.

It's not "cut down less interesting versions." The reverb is a newer, cleaner one (which... okay, may be less interesting for some reverb types). The delay isn't very much like either Valhalla Delay or Supermassive but it shares a little bit of DNA with both. (Inspiration, not code/algorithms.) And together... it's really not like just sticking Valhalla Delay in front of Valhalla Room or Plate or Vintage.

[hey212]

Re the difference between this and other Valhalla reverbs, this is from Sean on GS:

"VintageVerb uses vintage algorithms and vintage DSP blocks. In other words, reverb algorithms with not that many delays (or "delay nodes'), linear interpolation, only a few gain multipliers, and a short amount of total delay. The algorithms are inspired by the era from 1975 through 1986, when digital hardware was custom made and very limited, and memory was expensive.

FutureVerb is built for the future. We use a LOT more delay lines than previous Valhalla reverbs, higher quality delay interpolation, and way more delay memory. The additional complexity and CPU cost is necessary to get the audio quality we were going for. In order to have high modal density and a more transparent decay, we needed to use more resources. That's just physics.

The FutureVerb reverb algorithms are different from anything we have ever done before, and I don't think any other developers are using these architectures. Hard to tell for sure, since lots of reverbs are black boxes, but I've never seen anything like them in the literature."