Valhalla FutureVerb

[kritikon]

That sounds good to me. Hopefully it doesn't use too much more CPU, as my old laptop can only cope with so much. More delays are almost always betterer.

[kraster]

Being a fanboi of ValhallaDSP's reverbs beginning with VRoom and Sean as he is a super nice guy I like to talk positive about their products if applicable.
Last time I counted I realized that I have already 70+ reverb algorithms inside of the four VDSP reverbs I own/have.

I tested FVerb against Vintage and Room. I didn't want redundancy. I didn't buy this plugin blind (super fanatic) but held it against the older ones as I expected this one to be MUCH BETTER after reading this BOLD marketing claim. 8 years in the making... Come on!
That's five albums and three world tours plus 8 times touring the USA coast to coast.
So, does it hold up? At first I wasn't sure as I expected to HEAR something different.
It took me a while to get it.
Systematic tests while knowing a few of the weakspots of Vintageverb I wanted to know what is going on.
Hardcore tests: 10sec rev time with room size to min. OK, why does it not sound weird or bad?
Density to min, it doesn't fall apart, sounds different and still really good!
Snare with brutaly overhyped highs into it: It doesn't fall apart!
Stuff like that, I tested more like that and it still sounds at least good if not wow.
More natural than VintageV, and to my ears more "realistic" than RoomV and for sure different.
So this brings me new colors of verb and overall more ease of use as I didn't find a setting that destroys the sound quality.
Your milage may vary.
Cheers!

This aligns with what I'm experiencing.

I'd sum up my experience by saying that it's very difficult to make it sound bad.

It's sweet spots everywhere. You can definitely get into weird territory with the delay but the reverb is ridiculously refined. I'd almost venture to say that's why the delay is there.

Another thing that really becomes apparent the more I use it is how quick it is to hone in on a sound. There's clearly been a lot of time spent refining the UX so that you don't get lost in the weeds of too many parameters but still get a really great result.

In the GS thread Sean Costello was talking about how a lot of the controls are essentially macros e.g. the Bass control on some algos is both an eq and a LF damping control.

I also do think that it does sound way more realistic than any of the other Valhalla reverbs. VVV has always been a very coloured/characterful reverb, Rooms has always been very neutral/pure and somewhat sterile (but in a good way).

Futureverb's algos really do sound like what they are supposed to be representing.

[MichaelWhiteMusic]

I bought Valhalla Delay and I'm not buying any more plugins for me it has a good amount of algos that sound different to each other and most important, they sound well and also you can make them all sound as reverb too with the diffusion. More than enough...imho.

[Josephhh]

Run Valhalla Delay on a 20000ms quad setting into Futureverb and enter Valhalla

[foosnark]

I've found myself wanting stronger feedback at times on the the echo. Patching a feedback loop around the whole thing in Bitwig (either with the DC Offset workaround, or just putting it inside a 0ms Delay+) works for me though

[whassup]

That sounds good to me. Hopefully it doesn't use too much more CPU, as my old laptop can only cope with so much. More delays are almost always betterer.

Oopsi, you will find out soon on your older laptop:
Measuring it with 100 tracks, each with one VintageVerb, default preset.
Erasing them and 100 fresh tracks with FutureVerb, default preset.
Result:
Future uses ~7 x as much CPU.
Which is still not very much overall here with a 1 year old Ryzen 7900x with 12 cores.
Those 100 instances of Future on 100 tracks (which is absolutely rediculous!) eats up ~7.3cores in Reaper.
Vintage uses at bit over 1 core.
Beware: This is at 32 samples latency.
1024 samples and you got half of that CPU usage with those plugins!

[Dalle]

Valhalla already has a great delay and multiple great reverbs, having cut down less interesting versions of both in one plugin doesn’t really do much for me.

It's not "cut down less interesting versions." The reverb is a newer, cleaner one (which... okay, may be less interesting for some reverb types). The delay isn't very much like either Valhalla Delay or Supermassive but it shares a little bit of DNA with both. (Inspiration, not code/algorithms.) And together... it's really not like just sticking Valhalla Delay in front of Valhalla Room or Plate or Vintage.

They have a “less is more” design philosophy which I don’t really agree with. FutureVerb is a really limited delay and a really limited reverb in series.

[foosnark]

They have a “less is more” design philosophy which I don’t really agree with. FutureVerb is a really limited delay and a really limited reverb in series.

Sean does prefer fewer controls over more, but it's not minimalist to the point of being "really limited" either. You can get a huge range of flavors out of his plugins, especially this one.

[mholloway]

They have a “less is more” design philosophy which I don’t really agree with. FutureVerb is a really limited delay and a really limited reverb in series.

Literally just not true at all, but don't let the truth stop you from posting nonsense online.
They aren't isolated units in series; the two modules interact with each other, even when Delay level is at 0. Just move up the delay time knob and see what happens to the reverb...

[BoogerSnot]

New Valhalla echo/reverb plugin with granular algorithms? Yes please.

[rj0]

... but, ... but, ... does it sound good?

... or am I in the wrong thread?

[Touch The Universe]

Can it go really deep and long verbs like usual?

[zerocrossing]

FutureVerb will be an insta-buy.

Wait, an instant buy is happening immediately... but if it happens in the future... will you have to travel to the future to buy it? This post is almost as confusing as a fight scene in TENET.

[cryophonik]

FutureVerb will be an insta-buy.

Wait, an instant buy is happening immediately... but if it happens in the future... will you have to travel to the future to buy it? This post is almost as confusing as a fight scene in TENET.

I bought a RetroVerb Lancet in 2027.

[Puduku]

... but, ... but, ... does it sound good?

... or am I in the wrong thread?

Can it go really deep and long verbs like usual?

Some of us already talked about the sound, but indeed the great debate "what’s a reverb after all" has taken over.

Yes it sounds very good. Yes it sounds lush, yes it sounds complex, mostly if you use the "echo" module, which can behave as a reverb enforcer. It adds an instant fat halo.

Soundwise expect something between the Tai Chi reverb and Phonolyth Cascade if you’re familiar. Not that it’s all it can do, but it’s what it can do that is amazing !

Unsure if it’s going to be my new favourite yet, but yes, for sure it’s good. Sorry to insist on it, but without the use of the echo module, you’re missing the point in this one.