Virtual JV: free Roland JV-880 emulation

[wagtunes]

Okay, I finally found them. Put them in the rom folder that opens when I load the plugin, reloaded the plugin but it still doesn't work. Says can't find ROM files. I'm on Windows 11, Cubase 14.

[Uncle E]

A lot of people are saying this lately. Maybe install an older version.

[wagtunes]

A lot of people are saying this lately. Maybe install an older version.

An older version of what?

[seafire]

The ROM

Have to Google it, link here is against the rules

I did every imaginable search I could think of. Even went to archive.org. Nothing. Oh well, thanks for nothing.

Using "jv880 rom download" as the search, the first result is what you need.

You're welcome

[wagtunes]

The ROM

Have to Google it, link here is against the rules

I did every imaginable search I could think of. Even went to archive.org. Nothing. Oh well, thanks for nothing.

Using "jv880 rom download" as the search, the first result is what you need.

You're welcome

I did eventually find it but it doesn't work in Cubase 14, Windows 11.

[Spitfire31]

Did you try with the standalone?

[EvilDragon]

Yes do it in standalone first.

[mcbpete]

Instead of publishing a link to files, could you tell us the path you're putting them?

During the first run you will be able to open the destination ROM folder. Copy your ROMs there, restart the plugin, and wait for a minute for the first load to happen (waveform ROMs need to be descrambled and copied to a cache, which may take a minute). Have fun!

[wikter]

Instead of publishing a link to files, could you tell us the path you're putting them?

During the first run you will be able to open the destination ROM folder. Copy your ROMs there, restart the plugin, and wait for a minute for the first load to happen (waveform ROMs need to be descrambled and copied to a cache, which may take a minute). Have fun!

My plug-in work flwlessly, it's not me who had the problem.

[Teksonik]

I'm using these ROMs I found on Internet Archive: [MOD REMOVED - PROBABLY NOT LEGAL];

Then by extension is this entire thread not in danger of angering a litigious company like Roland?

We're talking here about the hardware emulation, it's not about how to download copyrighted samples. Emulation is not a copy, and as long as it's not sold, just free... it's inside legal boundaries.

Where did you get your law degree? So if I steal your music it's "inside legal boundaries" as long as I don't sell it?

You might want to think it over again. At any rate: "[MOD REMOVED - PROBABLY NOT LEGAL]" is a pretty good indication that the whole discussion is on shaky ground.

This emulation requires the download and use of samples that are quite possibly copyrighted. (none of us know the true legal status of the samples).

All this on a forum where Roland representatives post. But hey if KVR gets sued it's not coming out of my pockets.

[sjm]

Let's clear this up... the emulator is prefect legal. The ROMs are proprietary. If you own the hardware and expansion cards, you are probably fine as you own a legal copy thereof. You also don't need to download anything in that case, as you can just dump the ROMs to your computer. *Sharing* links to the ROMs with people who don't own the hardware is definitely not legal, hence the links being removed.

As well as avoiding posting links to copyrighted material, can we please also stop derailing every thread about emulators with the same misinformation about the emulator itself somehow being dodgy, or that talking about the emulator is liable to get people sued. Those sorts of hot takes are from the same school of legal nonsense as the ones claiming that it's only copyright infringement if you sell the material.

[Teksonik]

Let's clear this up... the emulator is prefect legal. The ROMs are proprietary. If you own the hardware and expansion cards, you are probably fine as you own a legal copy thereof. You also don't need to download anything in that case, as you can just dump the ROMs to your computer. *Sharing* links to the ROMs with people who don't own the hardware is definitely not legal, hence the links being removed.
As well as avoiding posting links to copyrighted material, can we please also stop derailing every thread about emulators with the same misinformation about the emulator itself somehow being dodgy, or that talking about the emulator is liable to get people sued. Those sorts of hot takes are from the same school of legal nonsense as the ones claiming that it's only copyright infringement if you sell the material.

Where did you get your Juris Doctor degree?

The bottom line is if an emulation requires those who don't own the hardware to download copyrighted material then there could be legal issues. Period. Full Stop.

But if you're so desperate for a free plugin that you'd be willing to compromise your morals and possibly break intellectual property laws (on a site that's dedicated to the creation of intellectual property) then there's really nothing else that can be said.

So to that point I'll just keep using the hardware JV880 once in a awhile and forget about the plugin.

I'll leave the complicated and nuanced issue of legality to you self appointed "experts". I won't read or respond to any further posts on the subject.

[beely]

The bottom line is if an emulation requires those who don't own the hardware to download copyrighted material then there could be legal issues. Period. Full Stop.

Sure. Even people doing nothing wrong *could* have legal issues. There are parts of this world that have a "sue first" attitude, and let's not mention YouTube copyright strikes for material that is claimed owned by anyone who presses the "Claim Now" button.

However, the legality of emulators themselves has generally been tested over the past couple of decades and the general outcome is that emulators themselves aren't considered illegal, as long as the people making/distributing them are not encouraging, providing, or facilitating the distribution of copyright material. Hence why all of them have the attitude of "We're not going to point you to, or supply you with ROMs" and "This emulator is intended for people who legally own the ROMs they are using". If people want to use software for other purposes, that's the individual's choice and responsibility.

But you're correct that any company, who feels like they have the basis for a claim, or wants to try and shut something down, can initiate legal proceedings, and likely that alone would be enough to shut down a personal, or community emulator effort due to the costs of even putting up a counter argument. This is why teams doing emulation have to be careful to really try and stay on the legal side of things.

But that doesn't really have much to do with the *actual* legality of the emulators themselves, more a legal strategy of, as is often the case, who has the most money/clout/lawyers wins. It might well be that legal claims against popular emulators might lose if the argument is simply that a company doesn't like the fact that an emulator exists. At the very least, they would likely have to prove/demonstrate IP/copyright infringement, encouragement, or actual damage, to have a viable winnable legal case. And so far, that has not resulted in significant action against the actual emulators themselves. So yes, as generally understood, the emulators themselves are not regarded as illegal, although they can - like many things including web browsers, computers, etc - be involved with, and facilitate *actual* copyright theft and IP violations.

I'll leave the complicated and nuanced issue of legality to you self appointed "experts". I won't read or respond to any further posts on the subject.

No self-appointed expert here, just have observed the whole emulator thing for a couple of decades now, particularly as I have a personal interest in archival of old material, often from long-defunct companies, and as I always want to stay on the side of legality in terms of what I distribute, archive, or make available, am usually careful in trying to go about doing things in legitimate ways (like getting official permissions from IP owners where I can, etc).

But this is not a new topic, it is well discussed, not just here in this community, but in others like retro-gaming communities, vintage computer archival and much more. A general understanding of the current state of things is good to have if you want to know roughly how the lines are drawn.

[sjm]

Let's clear this up... the emulator is prefect legal. The ROMs are proprietary. If you own the hardware and expansion cards, you are probably fine as you own a legal copy thereof. You also don't need to download anything in that case, as you can just dump the ROMs to your computer. *Sharing* links to the ROMs with people who don't own the hardware is definitely not legal, hence the links being removed.

The bottom line is if an emulation requires those who don't own the hardware to download copyrighted material then there could be legal issues. Period. Full Stop.

See the quoted post for the explanation. It's right there!

[Spitfire31]

Another reason to be a bit careful – I understand that a well known soundsmith with the initials E. P. was intimately connected with the creation of the JV880 patches.
I noticed that one Roland Cloud expansion that seems to be missing from the 1080 etc. VI family is the Voices, which is apparently © of the said Mr E. P. …
/JHS