Adam Szabo - AIRWAVE Out Now! (JP-8080 VST)

[wikter]

Adam, would a Supernova 2 be possible?

That would be quite a machine, too.

Supernova 2 is already been workdd on by The Usual Suspects...

[seafire]

Adam, would a Supernova 2 be possible?

That would be quite a machine, too.

Supernova 2 is already been workdd on by The Usual Suspects...

A pointless emulation.

[NAD]

I feel terribly for Adam, he's been working on this synth for at least three years and then The Usual Suspects come out with their announcement.... It must have been a gut punch. He probably had to rush to release Airwave to recoup on at least some fraction of the thousands of hours he spent in development, before TUS swoop in and eat his lunch. Of course it's not exactly the same product but they're still in almost direct competition in a market that's pretty niche to begin with. I hope enough people see the value in what Adam is doing compared to the emulation route and choose to support him so that he doesn't loose his drive to make excellent synths.

[Trancer]

Sea Fire

That's just your opinion, but I'm not the only one who wants a VST recreation of Supernova 2.

Personally, I've always supported Adam, and here again, I bought Airwave.

He's an incredibly talented person, and this recreation is truly fantastic.

Supporting him is only natural, given the incredible amount of work he put into creating this VST.

[AdvancedFollower]

i wonder, if anyone tests Airwave vs. the Ususal Suspects one would be interesting!

It would be the same as comparing Airwave to an actual JP-8000 since the Usual Suspect plugin runs the exact same binary code as the original down to each individual 1 and 0.

Using a native VST without the DSP emulation components has other advantages however, like better performance, the ability to do offline render etc.

[djanthonyw]

Using a native VST without the DSP emulation components has other advantages however, like better performance, the ability to do offline render etc.

TUS emulators use very little CPU here and not sure what you mean about the ability to do offline render because you can bounce offline with them.

[djanthonyw]

Looks like someone did a short comparison between Airwave, Jup-8000, and JE-8086.

I do think Airwave sounds pretty spot on with JE-8086 more so than Jup-8000, and I do think it has a great GUI.

[skarvika]

I feel terribly for Adam, he's been working on this synth for at least three years and then The Usual Suspects come out with their announcement.... It must have been a gut punch. He probably had to rush to release Airwave to recoup on at least some fraction of the thousands of hours he spent in development, before TUS swoop in and eat his lunch. Of course it's not exactly the same product but they're still in almost direct competition in a market that's pretty niche to begin with. I hope enough people see the value in what Adam is doing compared to the emulation route and choose to support him so that he doesn't loose his drive to make excellent synths.

I agree the timing's really unfortunate. JUP-8000 V and Chro-Nyx this year too. They all have their caveats though; JUP-8000 V lacks the clicky filters and the aliased highs of the hardware (and is expensive on its own), Chro-Nyx requires Reaktor, JE-8086 will likely be a resource hog. Airwave is a good option for someone that just wants a JP8X emu without too much fuss. It has its niche.

[wikter]

Who needs another analog synth emulation? I mean is there not enough already? Don’t get me wrong, for fun why not but what is really the point.

An interesting piece of digital equipment that deserves a relaunch is the Yamaha EX5. Sampling, AN & VL was so limited that the best patches were AWM2+FDSP.
A Synthesizers combining 4 layers of sampling, AN, VL and the FDSP algos without the limitations of the EX5 would do... And don't really care if the ROM is not the same... In fact there's a 4 Mb soundfont with that ROM around the net.

[wikter]

Using a native VST without the DSP emulation components has other advantages however, like better performance, the ability to do offline render etc.

TUS emulators use very little CPU here and not sure what you mean about the ability to do offline render because you can bounce offline with them.

Nope, they use a huge amount in a separate thread. Not visible to DAW by default.

[rasmusklump]

Plus it adds latency at the default setting and has some problems syncing the arp in certain situations.
To me it was absolutely worth it to pay for viper and delete the virus emulator from my disc.

[wikter]

Adam, would a Supernova 2 be possible?

That would be quite a machine, too.

Supernova 2 is already been workdd on by The Usual Suspects...

A pointless emulation.

Sure, I already own the Novation VStation and an XStation (it's my main controller) and while not being the same as the Supernova II it fits the sound in some ways. We had one SuperNovaII in the studio circa 2005-2012 and some patches ended in the VStation and kept the sound close.
But the fact is that VStation is no longer available, but the inminent hardware emulation is enough to avoid it.

[wikter]

Plus it adds latency at the default setting and has some problems syncing the arp in certain situations.
To me it was absolutely worth it to pay for viper and delete the virus emulator from my disc.

Yep, it's hard to correct the original firmware bugs with clocks. And there's no room for firmware improvements when you emulate the hardware. The job done by The Usual Suspects is gigantic, i'd say bigger than the one done by the original hardware+firmware developers, but I can't tell real numbers.
And that's why Adam's stuff should not being in the same bag, as the IP of the ROMs is exclusive to the hardware owners, other than that, it's in a grey area while Adam's job breaks no IP property.

[adamszabo]

He himself pointed out he gave up on AN1x. I don't think he can pull analog emulations by himself, he's just not into that kind of sound.

I think you totally misunderstood my comment about the AN1X. I said I am not going to do it because I learned my lesson not to take on synths that are digital and require a firmware. The AN1X is not analog, its a digital synth that runs on a chip, just like the Virus and the JP8080, so it requires a firmware to run. I am not leaking any secret information, but its just an educated guess, that the TUS group will release AN1X at one point, plus any other synth that require a firmware to run, so there is no way in hell im doing it a third time, to spend years working on something only to get in this crap situation. I havent decided yet if Im done with emulations but if I were to emulate something new it would have to be analog which cannot be emulated by loading its firmware in a vst, since it has no firmware.

[djanthonyw]

Using a native VST without the DSP emulation components has other advantages however, like better performance, the ability to do offline render etc.

TUS emulators use very little CPU here and not sure what you mean about the ability to do offline render because you can bounce offline with them.

Nope, they use a huge amount in a separate thread. Not visible to DAW by default.

Not the case here.