Studio One 7.2.3 Now Available

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Seems like subscription no more, I wonder if perpetuals still will be limited to 12 months or if they are completely going back to the way it was pre sub.

I cannot see how either of these "plans" survive. Sub will be dead for sure - but that is kinda given considering the lack of value being delivered. Heard from a few users that are pretty sure they have seen a single thing new in their sub for months now. Makes no sense to keep doing that.

And perpetual? If Presonus insists on keeping this odd "Annual Updates" plan - which now has the same stink to me as as the much hated Waves Update Plan - I think that too is going to fail.

Users want to be able to make up their own minds. For any of us who have been with Presonus like forever - this means upgrading when a new "major" version drops and then getting ALL the updates that come with it - until the next major drops - just like the old days.

I cannot see myself "paying" for Annual Updates any more - there is simply no way I can "front" development over there if I do not know what I am paying for. Or even worse - if what I AM paying for - is of little to no interest to me.

Bottom line - if Presonus needs constantly cash flow (which I get) - someone over there serious miscalculated the user base and what they are willing to pay for.

More than likely the Fender suits simply waved their hands and thought these "programs" would natually be a cash cow for our "built in" loyalty to S1 while appeasing shareholders at the same time.

But what they forgot is how $149.00 bucks was the total price for an entire cycle in the old days.

As a S1 user since 2011 - for the first time ever - I type this as an actual non-paying customer of Presonus. Sad as that is to believe - this a great example of the nature of the Annual Update Plan (specifcally)

Now that I am free and clear of any obligation - while Presonus fumbles around trying to deliver some value - my eyes/ears are (oddly) starting to wander to see what else is going on.

This is how great products start to die.

VP

[lfm]

And perpetual? If Presonus insists on keeping this odd "Annual Updates" plan - which now has the same scent to me as as the much hated Waves Update Plan - I think that too is going to fail.

WUP expires but nothing stops working. Never understood the resentment towards that.

Their new subscription model though do that, but that is not WUP.

My last WUP expired 2014 but still works fine and on Windows 11.
- everything works, don't fix it, as they say

[Serhii Kot]

But everything is a subscription. It just costs more now. In the past, we paid every two years; now it is every year for the same updates. Twice as expensive. If you have the nerve and can resist new and shiny things, you can upgrade every two years and have the same upgrade but not gradually.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

But everything is a subscription. It just costs more now. In the past, we paid every two years; now it is every year for the same updates. Twice as expensive.

Exactly. And as Gregor alludes to in the interview - this is not working.

Once users have been given a 2.5 year windows of awesome updates - for a set (and IMO - very reasonable) price ($149) - there is no putting that genie back in the bottle - or getting a large subsection of the user base to pay more than that.

If cash really is the issue - the last resort now is to try and (really) crank up the actual price of a new license and/or this Update Plan - but that will simply make more users bail.

VP

[Vocalpoint Studios]

WUP expires but nothing stops working. Never understood the resentment towards that.

The general "resentment" for the WUP is what you do not get - which is any meaningful updates to anything.

If I have 23 plugins on WUP and they ask me to pay again - I need 23 meaningful updates to all 23 of my plugins. What we usually get is about 1-2 updates to 3-4 plugins every 3 years.

Those guys really have problems over there - they are the textbook example of what will happen to Studio One if their "Annual Updates" plan fails to bear fruit.

You basically said it all - your last WUP expired in 2014 and you haven't given Waves a dime.

Not exactly the way to sustain and company or any single product like S1...

VP

[andypryce]

Reason I switched to Studio One (Version 1) from Logic 9 and kept using it regularly until V5 was how they made the workflow so fluid and logical that made me think ''why no one else though it this way before'' That and the implementation of features that I did not know I needed but later couldn't do without them.

Presonus/Fender really need to come up with a great new version that can make people turn their heads
I hope they go back to their roots and become that same company again that surprises us.

It is a bloated DAW market and hard to attract users. Ableton is not releasing all these amazing free updates to version 12 for nothing. It is no more that snob company who do not care what users want.They are competing against the life time free updates and rising popularity of FL Studio.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Ableton is not releasing all these amazing free updates to version 12 for nothing.

Ableton is simply killing it right now. Excellent work all around.

Reminds of a company I used to know:)

VP

[Sinisterbr]

How are all other DAW companies doing? I very much would like to know, as I think this is actually a broader issue in this market.

[lfm]

WUP expires but nothing stops working. Never understood the resentment towards that.

The general "resentment" for the WUP is what you do not get - which is any meaningful updates to anything.

Well, don't renew WUP then, as easy as that!
- you own license to use it perpetually
- I see no reason to complain

The idea behind plugins is not for each to grow to a full daw, but a well defined functionality.
- even if some overlap.

I think I got one plugin, Vitamin in the Gold bundle, included while covered. And Element v2 synth as well, having v1.

Updates then, believe it or not, was that 3 plugins got support for 96k, only had 48k as purchased.

And any changes needed while Windows 7 to 8, to 10, since it was Waves v9.xx all this time.
- after that started new major version every year just about
- so they were a bit too generous as they figured out
- everybody got updates during this time as long as on v9, no wup needed

If I have 23 plugins on WUP and they ask me to pay again - I need 23 meaningful updates to all 23 of my plugins. What we usually get is about 1-2 updates to 3-4 plugins every 3 years.

You can like $10 for an individual plugin to get it updated - or not.

I bought everything during 2013-2014 , about 80 plugins, that I felt would be useful. Most hardware emulating ones. So advantage to get the full $240 and not single.
- but also carefully checked campaigns which is their signum

So spent about $1100 or so, knowing soon entering retirement, this is what I want to do full time the rest of my life.

Those guys really have problems over there - they are the textbook example of what will happen to Studio One if their "Annual Updates" plan fails to bear fruit.

You basically said it all - your last WUP expired in 2014 and you haven't given Waves a dime.

Not exactly the way to sustain and company or any single product like S1...

VP

I leave their business model, policy, for them to figure out.

Every purchase we make as customers is also a statement
- I like what you do, keep doing that

But also out of need, unless those that are shopoholics.
- so got coveridge everything 3rd party, Waves, and can switch daw as I please without relearning any tools(the plugins)

I don't go to local tool shop to get new hammer or wrench unless I really need them.
- it's a software game to keep people paying under pretence it gets better constantly
- some do, and we pay or some suckers are in subscription plans and must pay again or no product to use

I found Waves support the best there is, always well educated support agents.
- even as my wup expired

Only reason I did not updated WUP for $180 campaign a year ago was that I was afraid my good old Sonar might start having some issue, since it's not updated since 2016.
- everything works, so I don't fix it

Windows 11 was taken out of updates a year ago as well, try to keep everything still working.
- was it 11 24H2 that suddenly got audio issues over usb?
- it's offline constantly unless updating software I use

And now I heard about some new midi in Windows that also signal possible problems.

I get what you are saying about StudioOne, just reacted to Waves comment that I felt was not valid.

[thievedletter]

Did a Waves employee just highjack this thread?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I get what you are saying about StudioOne, just reacted to Waves comment that I felt was not valid.

Well - I am confused - you say you think comments on WUP are "not valid" - yet you haven't sent Waves 10 cents since 2014? What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

I am hoping S1 never turns into Waves where IF "we" (the userbase) simply let Presonus "sort their business model" while at the same time send them nothing - all that will do is guarantee their demise.

Still do not know how Waves can survive these days. I did renew my WUP one time back in 2022 - but never since then. I simply do not see any value to renewing it - due to a general lack of anything new.

VP

[Crossinger]

I have to admit that I have heard very few complaints about Bitwig in comparison, although they are also not cheap and offer annual support plans.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I have to admit that I have heard very few complaints about Bitwig in comparison, although they are also not cheap and offer annual support plans.

They also have killer updates. A killer beta program. Killer comms and bunch of other stuff that they do very well.

Yes - the price is up there - but for those that I have come across that use it - they all say it is worth every penny.

VP

[summer2000]

I have to admit that I have heard very few complaints about Bitwig in comparison, although they are also not cheap and offer annual support plans.

They also have killer updates. A killer beta program. Killer comms and bunch of other stuff that they do very well.

Yes - the price is up there - but for those that I have come across that use it - they all say it is worth every penny.

VP

I took a break from working on a project on the latest Bitwig 6 beta version to say that I agree with that sentiment.

[lfm]

I get what you are saying about StudioOne, just reacted to Waves comment that I felt was not valid.

Well - I am confused - you say you think comments on WUP are "not valid" - yet you haven't sent Waves 10 cents since 2014? What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

I don't buy stuff I don't need anymore.
- as all plugins were 96k compatible when it expired it was not urgent
- I would still get bug updates as long as v9.xx without it

I checked out every plugin Waves have and looked at reviews and comments and bought what I felt I ever needed.

Just nothing wrong with WUP principles, why I defend it
- WUP is interpreted as subscription by many
- you as well as I read first comment by you I quoted
- I just defended that part which I feel is unfair
- you're not obliged to be in WUP if nothing for you there
- you even get bug updates while on the same major version without WUP
- licenses are perpetual, nothing stops working when wup expires
- but added features in a plugin, which is not that common, needs WUP

V2 of a plugin happends, like with Element synth, but rare AFAIK.

If you are in WUP and they release a new major version of all plugins you get that.

I have not looked but they might make scalable gui in a new major version and such.
- high dpi support etc

If my 1080p monitors break and I might go 4k, maybe I would look at activate WUP and get latest of everything, if that meant getting gui scalable etc.